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If we arent going help Muzzin why bother spending assets

Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 16, 2022
Published: Feb. 16, 2022
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Most of the usual additions on here are absolutely players who would be carried by Muzzin if they took Holl's spot. Many may not be an improvement at all, since they are slow, bad puck movers, but they hit sometimes so that's a draw for some. If we aren't going to someone to take pressure off Muzzin, why bother at all?
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Ritchie, Nick
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (TOR)
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The 2nd is to get retainment on Braun and the rest is just contract swaps to give Philly room to add prospects when moving Giroux.
2.
TOR
  1. Klingberg, John ($2,125,000 retained)
DAL
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,808,116$0$400,000$691,884
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 3
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 4
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,645,000$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Feb. 16, 2022 at 12:59 p.m.
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Lol. Might be time to move on from Muzzin
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:00 p.m.
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Lol. Might be time to move on from Muzzin


In the offseason maybe
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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In the offseason maybe


Something like :
Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-XXX
Dermott-Liljgren
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:10 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Something like :
Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-XXX
Dermott-Liljgren


Yup that looks not bad, maybe even Niemela can do more than people think.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Something like :
Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-XXX
Dermott-Liljgren


Honestly, I think next year is going to be a step back year for TO. Still a playoff team but likely not as strong as they are this year.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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you have to put another pick in there to get rid of ritchie
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Honestly, I think next year is going to be a step back year for TO. Still a playoff team but likely not as strong as they are this year.


TO probably will make some moves (Muzzin or otherwise) to stay in the top 5ish of the league. Dubas is on the same rope as Matthews contract. If they don't win by then I can see AM34 walking and GMKD being let go. KD will do everything in his power and spend all the assets he can to remain in the top while he has Matthews under contract.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.
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Honestly I like the first trade. Not convinced Klingberg is the answer though. I’d rather spend those assets and Severson since he was term, and I think he’d be a slightly better fit.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
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Klingberg is not good
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.
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you have to put another pick in there to get rid of ritchie


I am not so sure, taking 2 extra contracts has big value to Philly and they may like Ritchie there. He's not without value, he just doesn't fit TO at all.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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TO probably will make some moves (Muzzin or otherwise) to stay in the top 5ish of the league. Dubas is on the same rope as Matthews contract. If they don't win by then I can see AM34 walking and GMKD being let go. KD will do everything in his power and spend all the assets he can to remain in the top while he has Matthews under contract.


I think they will do better in the playoffs than people want (the haters are desperate to see then fail) and after that I think some of this anti leaf nonsense will die down.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Honestly I like the first trade. Not convinced Klingberg is the answer though. I’d rather spend those assets and Severson since he was term, and I think he’d be a slightly better fit.


He is very good as well and a better long term move but it's a lot harder to make work and will cost more.
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
He is very good as well and a better long term move but it's a lot harder to make work and will cost more.


Add another second round pick to that deal and it's probably enough to get Severson 50% retained, I would think.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.
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Add another second round pick to that deal and it's probably enough to get Severson 50% retained, I would think.


If that's the case I am down with that
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
If that's the case I am down with that


I could be wrong, there's that one devils fan on here who think Severson (50% retained) will cost Neimela, Knies and a first round pick. But that's just my thoughts.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
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I could be wrong, there's that one devils fan on here who think Severson (50% retained) will cost Neimela, Knies and a first round pick. But that's just my thoughts.


Yeah that guy is out to lunch
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.
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I am not so sure, taking 2 extra contracts has big value to Philly and they may like Ritchie there. He's not without value, he just doesn't fit TO at all.


ritchie passed through waivers, he has no value
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 5:15 p.m.
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ritchie passed through waivers, he has no value


He passed through because no one wanted to add him without getting something in return. Opening up contract slots is not without value.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 5:25 p.m.
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He passed through because no one wanted to add him without getting something in return. Opening up contract slots is not without value.


assuming they get two players back in a giroux deal (a prospect and a roster player for cap), they only need to clear one space and that'll be them dealing braun for a pick. plus the prospect very well might be behrens or helleson who haven't signed yet in which case just giroux is enough. it's not valuable enough to be worth taking on ritchie without an added asset IMO
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Feb. 16, 2022 at 6:25 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Something like :
Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-XXX
Dermott-Liljgren


i like the idea of getting gio in a muzzin trade and putting him on the right, wouldnt move a first, his contract is up in the summer, could resign him for cheap too
Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:08 p.m.
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Flyers say no. Braun alone is worth a second and Brassard a 3rd-4th. If we are taking Ritchie it should be a 2nd and a 3rd
Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:14 p.m.
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Flyers say no. Braun alone is worth a second and Brassard a 3rd-4th. If we are taking Ritchie it should be a 2nd and a 3rd


Brassard has no value. Philly apparently wants to get rid of some contracts and has interest in Ritchie. Braun isn't worth a 2nd. He's a 34 year old 6/7 defenceman.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:16 p.m.
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Brassard has no value. Philly apparently wants to get rid of some contracts and has interest in Ritchie. Braun isn't worth a 2nd. He's a 34 year old 6/7 defenceman.


He’s viewed universally as worth a 2nd and Brassard has played top 6 and look well and will serve well on your third line
Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:19 p.m.
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He’s viewed universally as worth a 2nd and Brassard has played top 6 and look well and will serve well on your third line


On a bad team!!! Brassard would be battling Brooks for the 13th forward position and Bruan would be the 7/8th defenceman in TO. Being ok on a bad team doesn't make you great on a good team.
Feb. 16, 2022 at 8:20 p.m.
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On a bad team!!! Brassard would be battling Brooks for the 13th forward position and Bruan would be the 7/8th defenceman in TO. Being ok on a bad team doesn't make you great on a good team.


He was over a half point a game player at the start of the season when the Flyers weren’t bad. If you don’t want to pay the proper price for them then no deal
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