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MTL swap idea

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Team: 2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 18, 2022
Published: Feb. 18, 2022
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  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
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  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. Zucker, Jason
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Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
#26
You know nothing JS
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Quoting: ricochetii
Montreal only needs young players with potential and picks. If they are giving up young players or picks (or players who could return such), it has to be for long term solutions. Zucker is neither. Lateral moves don't benefit them outside of maybe a RHD.


You will never get good prospects or picks for Drouin. His value has never been lower and it won't get better in the next year on a ****ty team.

Even if you like Drouin, the main opinion is that he needs to go. A lateral move is the only way to do so. A problem for a problem.
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Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:24 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
If we were contending or even looking to make the playoffs next year, sure we could use Zucker's grit but we aren't or shouldn't be. Zucker is a good player much the same as Gally but unless we move Hoffman or Armia we shouldn't look to be adding anymore wingers. Drouin we also need since we have very few forwards capable of gaining the blueline with control outside Drouin.



Most rational Pens fans want to dump Kapenen cause he is not very good defensively and is struggling offensively, as opposed to Lehkonen who is on pace to match his career high offensively and is still one of the best defensive forwards in the league.

Why we are arguing about a trade that makes no sense from Montreal's side anyway and according to YOU makes no sense for the Pens is ridiculous.


I'm just a fan of Minesota Zucker. I would compare him more to Tatar (with Lehkonen's grit) than Gallager. Good along the wall more than in front of the net.

With the right linemates, his story could be similar to Tatar: buy low, get top 6 minutes, fix his play and resign on a friendly deal.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Wait people still use Corsi and Fenwick LOL Look at the charts above. He's one of the best possession players in the league.

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And Sheary is probably not the best comparison to use cause well, he only brought in a conditional 4th round pick after that success 😂. And Lehkonen hasn’t been even close to the same pace as Sheary was. And Sheary hasn’t been anything special since. So why would teams pay for that? Not all teams have a player like Crosby to stick him with.


Sheary got that return b/c PIT had no cap space if I remember correctly. A lot of teams have great players like Crosby that could he could help.

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What are you talking about Zucker couldn’t cut it with one of the better teams in the league? The guy was almost a ppg playing with Crosby and the pens have been a much better team with him on the ice than off it. Sure could he be better at finishing? Yeah, but he has also been playing through a core injury this season and finally got the surgery to fix it.



He has 31 points in his last 69 games the past 2 seasons. 43 points in 86 games overall with PIT the last 3 seasons. Which is fine, but nothing to write home about for a 31yo that's had two big injuries the last 2 seasons.


http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=ev&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477476&p2=8477953&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

I mean you can cherry pick stats all you want, however the only player in this deal that Lehkonen’s possession stats blow out of the water is Drouin’s, who by far has the worst possession stats in the deal.

Pitt not having any cap space DIDNT have anything to do with it. Sheary just isn’t anything special and neither is Lehkonen.

Again this season he’s been playing injured…and with 4th liners/Ahl players for the most part lol. He hasn’t played with Crosby at ES and Malkin was out most of the season. When Malkin came back, Zucker got injured. Zuckers best linemates have been Carter and ERod lol.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
I'm just a fan of Minesota Zucker. I would compare him more to Tatar (with Lehkonen's grit) than Gallager. Good along the wall more than in front of the net.

With the right linemates, his story could be similar to Tatar: buy low, get top 6 minutes, fix his play and resign on a friendly deal.


I like Zucker too, I really do but unless we look to make the playoffs next season he just doesn't fit
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:31 a.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
You will never get good prospects or picks for Drouin. His value has never been lower and it won't get better in the next year on a ****ty team.

Even if you like Drouin, the main opinion is that he needs to go. A lateral move is the only way to do so. A problem for a problem.


I can agree that he needs to go, for his own benefit if nothing else. Same can be said about Petry. It just has to make sense. There's no need to move him without at least "some" benefit. Sorry, but there's just no benefit to replacing him with Zucker.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
I can agree that he needs to go, for his own benefit if nothing else. Same can be said about Petry. It just has to make sense. There's no need to move him without at least "some" benefit. Sorry, but there's just no benefit to replacing him with Zucker.


For PIT's Zucker no. For MIN's Zucker yes! wink
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Pensfan89

Maybe there is a dumb gm or 2. However just because there is interest doesn’t mean it’s going to necessarily be 1st round pick interest.


If the rumour is a 1st, its because "a dumb GM or 2" is willing to pay that price. If "a dumb GM or 2" is willing to pay that price, that's Lehkonen's value. Debating otherwise is useless, as Gorton and Hughes aren't going to pass up a higher value being offered.

Supply and Demand, Value is what people are willing to pay.


Just say "i dont like this trade" and move on.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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[quote=Pensfan89;2995572
http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=ev&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477476&p2=8477953&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

I mean you can cherry pick stats all you want, however the only player in this deal that Lehkonen’s possession stats blow out of the water is Drouin’s, who by far has the worst possession stats in the deal. [/quote]

Don't talk about cherry picking stats then post just even strength results from just this season. Check out their 5v5 Adjusted from the last 3 years: http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=sva&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477476&p2=8477953&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

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Pitt not having any cap space DIDNT have anything to do with it. Sheary just isn’t anything special and neither is Lehkonen.


I think it was. They needed to move Hunwick's bad contract out so they had to sweeten it with Sheary.

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Again this season he’s been playing injured…and with 4th liners/Ahl players for the most part lol. He hasn’t played with Crosby at ES and Malkin was out most of the season. When Malkin came back, Zucker got injured. Zuckers best linemates have been Carter and ERod lol.


Okay but that doesn't help you healthy argument. Teams aren't going to want a 31yo getting paid $5.5M through next season that hasn't produced well on a good team. I mean, they could want him but PIT might have to pay to move him.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.
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Quoting: RobbStark03
If the rumour is a 1st, its because "a dumb GM or 2" is willing to pay that price. If "a dumb GM or 2" is willing to pay that price, that's Lehkonen's value. Debating otherwise is useless, as Gorton and Hughes aren't going to pass up a higher value being offered.

Supply and Demand, Value is what people are willing to pay.


Just say "i dont like this trade" and move on.


Keyword is MAYBE doesn’t mean there actually is. You can say that about every trade scenario. Mike Matheson could get a 1st plus. MAYBE there is a dumb gm or 2 that’d be willing to do it. Doesn’t mean there is. Just because there is interest, doesn’t mean there is enough interest to want to overpay. I mean take Eichel for example. How much they said so many teams are interested. Vegas, NYR, just about every team with cap space lol. Yet most teams dropped out when they got the asking price. If the Habs could get at least a 1st round pick for Lehkonen, he’d be traded already. The Habs wouldn’t risk injury or anything that could possibly lessen that value.
Feb. 18, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
[quote=Pensfan89;2995572
http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=ev&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477476&p2=8477953&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

I mean you can cherry pick stats all you want, however the only player in this deal that Lehkonen’s possession stats blow out of the water is Drouin’s, who by far has the worst possession stats in the deal.


Don't talk about cherry picking stats then post just even strength results from just this season. Check out their 5v5 Adjusted from the last 3 years: http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=sva&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8477476&p2=8477953&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

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Pitt not having any cap space DIDNT have anything to do with it. Sheary just isn’t anything special and neither is Lehkonen.


I think it was. They needed to move Hunwick's bad contract out so they had to sweeten it with Sheary.

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Again this season he’s been playing injured…and with 4th liners/Ahl players for the most part lol. He hasn’t played with Crosby at ES and Malkin was out most of the season. When Malkin came back, Zucker got injured. Zuckers best linemates have been Carter and ERod lol.


Okay but that doesn't help you healthy argument. Teams aren't going to want a 31yo getting paid $5.5M through next season that hasn't produced well on a good team. I mean, they could want him but PIT might have to pay to move him.[/quote]

No they won’t. You’re just wrong just like everyone was on Gudbranson, Bjugstad, etc. everyone said we’d have to pay to get rid of those players and the pens didn’t.
 
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