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Created by: SCGLisme2
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 21, 2022
Published: Feb. 22, 2022
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Description
Obviously these are big asks and the trade vales are off but these are the teams that are interested in the Habs players as specified by The Fourth Period.
More of what I would like to see coming back to tell you the truth!
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Klingberg, John
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. 2022 4th round pick (TBL)
2.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
ARI
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
3.
MTL
    Basically going anywhere before or at the deadline for 5th, 6th or 7th round picks.
    4.
    MTL
    1. Guhle, Brendan
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (ANA)
    Additional Details:
    Has expressed he's in win now mode but I'm sure the Habs would have to retain salary but should be able to get some assets and picks back.
    5.
    MTL
    1. Kravtsov, Vitali
    2. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
    NYR
    1. Chiarot, Ben
    2. Lehkonen, Artturi
    3. 2022 3rd round pick (ANA)
    6.
    MTL
    1. 2023 3rd round pick (EDM)
    7.
    8.
    MTL
    1. 2024 2nd round pick (ANA)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
    Logo of the CGY
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the NYR
    Logo of the ANA
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the CAR
    Logo of the DAL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the NSH
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the STL
    2023
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the EDM
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the CGY
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    2024
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the ANA
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    20$81,500,000$38,398,308$597,561$2,325,000$43,101,692
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $917,831$917,831
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Rangers
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Nashville Predators
    $925,000$925,000
    LW
    RFA - 5
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $875,000$875,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Dallas Stars
    $4,250,000$4,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $761,250$761,250
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $750,000$750,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
    $800,000$800,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,450,000$4,450,000
    C
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,750,000$1,750,000
    RW
    UFA - 1

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    Feb. 22, 2022 at 12:14 p.m.
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    Edmonton and NYR might accept. Everyone else declines pretty easily
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 12:40 p.m.
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    Habs reject Anaheim trades, Dallas trade, Edmonton and potentially the Nashville trade. Weber retiring as a Hab before the end of his contract would put the Preds in a bad situation. That pick needs to be higher.
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 1:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: FiveForFighting
    Habs reject Anaheim trades, Dallas trade, Edmonton and potentially the Nashville trade. Weber retiring as a Hab before the end of his contract would put the Preds in a bad situation. That pick needs to be higher.


    Weber retiring no matter where he is initiates the recapture on Nashville. Nashville can’t keep him from retiring. Montreal can’t force him to retire. Nashville has zero incentive to get Weber. If weber wants to work for the Canadians organization, pronger has set precedent that this can be done while he’s under contract. Dumbest thing Nashville could do is pay anything for Weber and then he just retires anyways. He’s either going to retire and Nashville gets hit with cap recapture which sucks but we will manage it or he rides ltir as a Hab. Really not much middle ground unless there’s a team out there like Arizona that wants that caphit so they can penny pinch on contracts.

    Anyways, Nashville doesn’t trade L’Heureux. Poile literally just traded up for him and he’s having a great year which should only cement his value as a 1st rounder.

    I could see us having some interest in Kulak or Drouin. Kulak would be decent depth should Borowiecki get hurt and Drouin would bolster our forward depth but the ask here is too much for a team that is in retool mode and not win now mode.
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 1:18 p.m.
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    Edmonton doesn't need a backup.
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 1:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    Weber retiring no matter where he is initiates the recapture on Nashville. Nashville can’t keep him from retiring. Montreal can’t force him to retire. Nashville has zero incentive to get Weber. If weber wants to work for the Canadians organization, pronger has set precedent that this can be done while he’s under contract. Dumbest thing Nashville could do is pay anything for Weber and then he just retires anyways. He’s either going to retire and Nashville gets hit with cap recapture which sucks but we will manage it or he rides ltir as a Hab. Really not much middle ground unless there’s a team out there like Arizona that wants that caphit so they can penny pinch on contracts.

    Anyways, Nashville doesn’t trade L’Heureux. Poile literally just traded up for him and he’s having a great year which should only cement his value as a 1st rounder.

    I could see us having some interest in Kulak or Drouin. Kulak would be decent depth should Borowiecki get hurt and Drouin would bolster our forward depth but the ask here is too much for a team that is in retool mode and not win now mode.


    The recapture can be reduced if Nashville takes Weber's contract. IF he retires early, every year he spends with Nashville will result in money being subtracted from the current $24M penalty.
    If he retires 1 year early with Montreal, that penalty stays at $24M. If he retires 1 year early with Nashville, that penalty is reduced to a few million.

    You can debate the rest, but there is in fact a reason Nashville might want to get Weber's contract.
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    The recapture can be reduced if Nashville takes Weber's contract. IF he retires early, every year he spends with Nashville will result in money being subtracted from the current $24M penalty.
    If he retires 1 year early with Montreal, that penalty stays at $24M. If he retires 1 year early with Nashville, that penalty is reduced to a few million.

    You can debate the rest, but there is in fact a reason Nashville might want to get Weber's contract.

    Thing is Weber would have to retire after spending Atleast 1 of the 1 million dollar years on LTIR for it to do much for Nashville.

    Right now worst we can get hit with is 3 years 7,857,143 and 1 year of 1,000,000.

    If we get him this off-season and he doesn’t retire then it’s reduced to 3 years of 6,571,428. 4 years of 1 million dollars caphit isn’t worth a ton. Way I see it, he will retire after that 3 million dollar year if he is going to in which case it just doesn’t do much for us. I know that’s up for debate but i think if he sits on LTIR for 1 year of 1 million dollars, then he’s going to finish his contract and get the rest that’s owed to him. It’s just a calculated risk
    Feb. 22, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    Thing is Weber would have to retire after spending Atleast 1 of the 1 million dollar years on LTIR for it to do much for Nashville.

    Right now worst we can get hit with is 3 years 7,857,143 and 1 year of 1,000,000.

    If we get him this off-season and he doesn’t retire then it’s reduced to 3 years of 6,571,428. 4 years of 1 million dollars caphit isn’t worth a ton. Way I see it, he will retire after that 3 million dollar year if he is going to in which case it just doesn’t do much for us. I know that’s up for debate but i think if he sits on LTIR for 1 year of 1 million dollars, then he’s going to finish his contract and get the rest that’s owed to him. It’s just a calculated risk


    Like I said. You can debate the value and risk, I'm just making sure the benefits are understood.

    You have to consider the window where that penalty is applied as well. You can be pretty much clear and have 1 year of minor impact, or be unable to spend to the cap for a few years, at a time when you are in contention and really need that money to compete.

    It's not something I'd be willing to dismiss so easily, and I'd definitely feel more comfortable if I had Weber's contract and at least some influence over the situation.

    Personally, I'd say "what do you want for X player?" in another trade. If the ask was reasonable, I'd get them to throw Weber in.
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    Feb. 22, 2022 at 6:17 p.m.
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    Anaheim has no interest in long-term, overpriced, underperforming veterans like Gallagher or Hoffman. We can find far better ways to spend $44 million.
    Feb. 23, 2022 at 6:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    Like I said. You can debate the value and risk, I'm just making sure the benefits are understood.

    You have to consider the window where that penalty is applied as well. You can be pretty much clear and have 1 year of minor impact, or be unable to spend to the cap for a few years, at a time when you are in contention and really need that money to compete.

    It's not something I'd be willing to dismiss so easily, and I'd definitely feel more comfortable if I had Weber's contract and at least some influence over the situation.

    Personally, I'd say "what do you want for X player?" in another trade. If the ask was reasonable, I'd get them to throw Weber in.


    There would be some real benefit to get Weber in the off-season and hold onto him if he were to retire 1 or 2 years early. Each 1 million dollar season he sits through, would knock off 1 year of recapture penalty, but I have a hard time seeing Weber sit on ltir for only 1 of the 3 one million dollar seasons. The way I see it, that’s an all or nothing scenario for him. If it’s none and we acquire him, we save a little cap. (A little over 1 million per year cap savings because of the 3 million dollar season). If it’s all, we wasted assets acquiring him. If he doesn’t want to deal with ltir, Nashville can’t force him to stay there so we have no sway over his actions.

    On a side note, I honestly think he’d be more likely to retire if Nashville acquired him as that’s a lot of travel and time away from family just to prove you can’t play.
    I wouldn’t mind picking him up at a very minor cost, it’s just that I don’t see the point of spending large assets on him as I think Nashville acquiring him wouldn’t help the situation.
    Feb. 23, 2022 at 7:15 a.m.
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    Quoting: herzausstein
    There would be some real benefit to get Weber in the off-season and hold onto him if he were to retire 1 or 2 years early. Each 1 million dollar season he sits through, would knock off 1 year of recapture penalty, but I have a hard time seeing Weber sit on ltir for only 1 of the 3 one million dollar seasons. The way I see it, that’s an all or nothing scenario for him. If it’s none and we acquire him, we save a little cap. (A little over 1 million per year cap savings because of the 3 million dollar season). If it’s all, we wasted assets acquiring him. If he doesn’t want to deal with ltir, Nashville can’t force him to stay there so we have no sway over his actions.

    On a side note, I honestly think he’d be more likely to retire if Nashville acquired him as that’s a lot of travel and time away from family just to prove you can’t play.
    I wouldn’t mind picking him up at a very minor cost, it’s just that I don’t see the point of spending large assets on him as I think Nashville acquiring him wouldn’t help the situation.


    There's certainly a lot to consider. I'm only saying it's worth considering. Why Nashville might want Weber is obvious. His contract could also have value to a team looking to hit the cap floor while spending less money.
    There are some scenarios where his contract still holds value. People dismiss those too readily.
    Feb. 23, 2022 at 7:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    There's certainly a lot to consider. I'm only saying it's worth considering. Why Nashville might want Weber is obvious. His contract could also have value to a team looking to hit the cap floor while spending less money.
    There are some scenarios where his contract still holds value. People dismiss those too readily.


    I think his value to Nashville is minimal due to the considerations I’ve put above. Then again it’s all just a calculated gamble and Weber is able to throw some curveballs should he want to. He likely has value to a couple different teams though looking for ltir space or teams like Arizona or Ottawa that might want the caphit without spending a lot of cash. Just a lot mull over
     
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