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Team: 2021-22 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 26, 2022
Published: Feb. 26, 2022
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Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Husso, Ville
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Extend Husso 3 mil x 3 years
STL
  1. Smith, Mike
  2. Tullio, Tyler
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. Driedger, Chris
  2. 2022 6th round pick (SEA)
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Barrie, Tyson
  2. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
3.
EDM
  1. Saros, Juuse
Additional Details:
***** IF the preds rebuild *****
NSH
  1. Lavoie, Raphael
  2. Samorukov, Dmitri
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (EDM)
  5. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
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2024
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23$81,500,000$83,161,497$669,339$1,840,000-$1,661,497
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 5
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,108,696$2,108,696
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$834,167$834,167 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
C
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$817,500$817,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,175,000$1,175,000
RW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:24 p.m.
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The St. Louis one is laughable
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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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That offer does nothing for stl. Also Saros won't be traded and if he probably was it would be for more than that
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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:28 p.m.
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You can just scratch Husso off the list. There's no way Army is going to hurt his team's chance to contend while also helping a potential playoff opponent. Not happening.

Also, the Preds are above Edmonton in the standings, soooo yeah. Less than zero chance of getting Saros, as well.
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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:37 p.m.
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Whatever team decides to sign Husso to a deal like that is going to regret it:

Quoting: BeterChiarelli
I don't trust the sample size. Edmonton needs a bonafide starter, not another Scrivens or some other name that's looked good over a few dozen games for a team with better defensive structure.

He's cooled down slightly but Husso is still on a PDO bender: the way the Blues have been allowing both high danger and plain-old scoring chances against this season does not at all correlate with Husso's performance and I suspect that correction comes after he signs his new deal. I'd take that opportunity to get Binnington on sale but the idea of Edmonton throwing bank at Husso is one that I'm uncomfortable with.

EDIT: to further highlight my point, Husso's HDSV% is tied for the league-lead with Shesterkin. He's ahead of Igor in HDGAA, trailing only the likes of Swayman, Vanecek, Kuemper, and Markstrom. Likewise, he's 5th in HDGSAA, again with Shesterkin leading the field followed by Kuemper, Bobrovsky, and Demko. Shesterkin is having a Hart-calibre season and is one of the few things elevating the Rangers this year. Kuemper trails only Shesterkin in the Vezina conversation. Given that St. Louis is the 4th-worst team for HDCF% I cannot see this being sustainable. They aren't outscoring their mistakes, they're getting phenomenal netminder support.


I don't think the kid with less than 40 games to his name is as good as the man challenging for the Hart Trophy. And like @mokumboi mentioned, the Blues aren't making this deal in the regular season. I'd see if St. Louis wants to play ball on a Binnington trade in the summer if the Blues want to go long on Husso themselves.

It's mentioned already but Nashville isn't moving Saros. Even if they enter a rebuild, he's young enough to hang onto long-term.

Dreidger for Barrie would be a reasonable swap but the Kraken have no right to demand a 1st for any of their netminders. Barrie's the one piece on their blueline they don't have and the opinion of the masses of Barrie having zero value are greatly overstated.
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Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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Neither Husso or Saros are going to be available. 😂😂

“If the press rebuild”.. it will be built around Saros. My god this is a bad take
Feb. 26, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
They aren't outscoring their mistakes, they're getting phenomenal netminder support.



Welllll... they are getting some great goaltending, including from Binnington on occasion, but they are also definitely outscoring D mistakes a lot. And honestly, their chances allowed and goals against numbers are a little misleading. There have been several games where they cruise to go up 3-4-5 goals before or at the end of the 2nd period, and then team D play gets sloppy to give up consolation goals in the 3rd.
Feb. 26, 2022 at 6:04 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Welllll... they are getting some great goaltending, including from Binnington on occasion, but they are also definitely outscoring D mistakes a lot. And honestly, their chances allowed and goals against numbers are a little misleading. There have been several games where they cruise to go up 3-4-5 goals before or at the end of the 2nd period, and then team D play gets sloppy to give up consolation goals in the 3rd.


At even-strength the Blues are 25th in scoring. 19th in expected goals. They're 20th in high-danger goals and scoring chances for %.

Granted, the only Blues games I ever seem to catch are either against Edmonton or in the playoffs: I recognize that I'm not getting the entire picture from NaturalStatTrick BUT it's really hard to agree with the Blues outscoring their mistakes when all of the math suggests otherwise.

I'm willing to believe a lot of it is score effects as the Blues are 7th by points percentage however I can't help but recognize that the Blues are getting the results of a top-10 team while playing like a bottom-10 team. There's some sort of voodoo, wizardry, or bullsh*t going on behind the curtain. Looking at how well Husso, and even Binnington to an extent, are doing in the realms currently reserved for Vezina candidates and Hart performances sheds a lot of light on the kind of luck St. Louis is getting right now. The only difference is that Binnington has a little bit more of a track record to support his results this season. The last time Husso had these kinds of numbers, he was a rookie in the AHL and the follow-up playoff run brought him back down to Earth quickly.
Feb. 26, 2022 at 6:24 p.m.
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Saros and Husso are unavailable atm
Feb. 26, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
At even-strength the Blues are 25th in scoring. 19th in expected goals. They're 20th in high-danger goals and scoring chances for %.

Granted, the only Blues games I ever seem to catch are either against Edmonton or in the playoffs: I recognize that I'm not getting the entire picture from NaturalStatTrick BUT it's really hard to agree with the Blues outscoring their mistakes when all of the math suggests otherwise.

I'm willing to believe a lot of it is score effects as the Blues are 7th by points percentage however I can't help but recognize that the Blues are getting the results of a top-10 team while playing like a bottom-10 team. There's some sort of voodoo, wizardry, or bullsh*t going on behind the curtain. Looking at how well Husso, and even Binnington to an extent, are doing in the realms currently reserved for Vezina candidates and Hart performances sheds a lot of light on the kind of luck St. Louis is getting right now. The only difference is that Binnington has a little bit more of a track record to support his results this season. The last time Husso had these kinds of numbers, he was a rookie in the AHL and the follow-up playoff run brought him back down to Earth quickly.



Heh. Even strength isn't the whole game, and the Blues are 2nd in the league on the PP. And it's not luck, they now play more for rush chances and high percentage chances over loads of cycling and getting tons of pucks to goal (which is more like the Cup team played). They also tend to finish their best chances more than most, which is why they lead the league in shooting % (and why they are 4th in goals scored but just middle of the league in shots per game). And like I said, a decent amount of their chances/goals allowed have come after they're already up multiple goals and take their foot off the pedal (which is a bad habit they need to break, obviously).

And this is why I always say analytics need plenty of context and should not take precedence over actual counting stats/rates.
Feb. 26, 2022 at 7:10 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Heh. Even strength isn't the whole game, and the Blues are 2nd in the league on the PP. And it's not luck, they now play more for rush chances and high percentage chances over loads of cycling and getting tons of pucks to goal (which is more like the Cup team played). They also tend to finish their best chances more than most, which is why they lead the league in shooting % (and why they are 4th in goals scored but just middle of the league in shots per game). And like I said, a decent amount of their chances/goals allowed have come after they're already up multiple goals and take their foot off the pedal (which is a bad habit they need to break, obviously).

And this is why I always say analytics need plenty of context and should not take precedence over actual counting stats/rates.


The majority of an NHL game is played at 5v5 and it's a better proxy for playoff games than combined game states. I'm more than happy to evaluate teams by that metric but I agree that they need more to contextualize them.

I actually hadn't realized that the Blues had the third-best powerplay. Their having the fourth-best PK makes sense when the context of their netminding is brought into the fold. I'd expect some sort of regression in special teams - decent rule of thumb that if PP%+PK%=100% you aren't overachieving - and something will have to give in terms of shooting percentages or save percentages. I identified that Husso is on a PDO bender: reality is the Blues are as a whole (19 skaters > PDO = 1.000) which you've also confirmed and part of that comeback down to Earth is going to require both Binnington and Husso seeing more "human" numbers. It may not happen soon, it could happen next season, but my point remains Husso is not the name Edmonton should pursue in a trade or in UFA.

This went off the rails a bit but I think it was a good discussion. You and I tend to be very firm on our takes and we've missed out on chances to collaborate like this. I like it.
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Feb. 26, 2022 at 7:37 p.m.
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Saros and Husso are unavailable atm


Also that’s proably the worst Husso offer I’ve seen
Feb. 26, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
The majority of an NHL game is played at 5v5 and it's a better proxy for playoff games than combined game states. I'm more than happy to evaluate teams by that metric but I agree that they need more to contextualize them.

I actually hadn't realized that the Blues had the third-best powerplay. Their having the fourth-best PK makes sense when the context of their netminding is brought into the fold. I'd expect some sort of regression in special teams - decent rule of thumb that if PP%+PK%=100% you aren't overachieving - and something will have to give in terms of shooting percentages or save percentages. I identified that Husso is on a PDO bender: reality is the Blues are as a whole (19 skaters > PDO = 1.000) which you've also confirmed and part of that comeback down to Earth is going to require both Binnington and Husso seeing more "human" numbers. It may not happen soon, it could happen next season, but my point remains Husso is not the name Edmonton should pursue in a trade or in UFA.

This went off the rails a bit but I think it was a good discussion. You and I tend to be very firm on our takes and we've missed out on chances to collaborate like this. I like it.



I agree crazy save percentages will usually come down to Earth, but do not agree the same can necessarily be said about PP, PK and shooting pct. Some teams are just better than most in those areas. The Blues have ridiculous forward depth (when healthy, more like 2 1st lines, a 2nd and a 3rd/4th than 1-2-3-4 lines) and most of them have played together for a while now, both of which help to explain their special teams excellence. They also have two D-men and a few forwards with outsized stick reaches for the PK.

And the shooting % I already mentioned. If you watch a typical Blues game, they pass up a fair amount of medium chances to pass for better chances - this can be maddening at times, but they do capitalize on that extra pass a whole lot. If you see how they play, it makes sense they'd have a top shelf shooting %.

But yeah, this is not the same type of Blues team that won the cup, where they'd really control the puck/play and wear teams down on the O-zone cycle. This team can blunt force a lot of wins just through skating and passing. And if they clean up the turnovers in/near their D zone (they can be too cutesy sometimes), the analytic numbers will improve a lot. At this point, they're almost never in much trouble when they eliminate those kinds of mistakes.
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