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lysell Part 2

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Team: 2021-22 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 3, 2022
Published: Mar. 3, 2022
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what i would be willing to give up for some of the players i previously mentioned in lysell part 1

Order of who i would want B's to pull the trigger on most
1. EP
2. Dubois
3. Hischier
I feel these guys are the strongest 2 way guys and could learn from bergy
4. Dahlin
5. Barzal
6. Theodore
7. Chych
8. Larkin ( was once a selke candidate very good 2 way game but i have him the lowest due to i think he is the for sure only untouchable)

I have centers in the top 3 as i feel they are the bigger need but if i was to tank the 2 guys i would very much throw almost whatever to acquire them it would be EP or Dahlin then big gap Dubois/hischier/ theordore decent gap for the rest of the guys
Trades
1.
ARI
    Lysell
    Jake Debrusk
    Urho Vaakanienen
    2023 1st
    2022 2nd
    2024 3rd
    2.
    BOS
    1. Larkin, Dylan
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    highly highly highly unlikely
    i think even if the value was fair detroit values him more then what would be a fair offer
    Detroit also lacks C depth do it would most likely require an elite C prospect which boston doesn't have
    DET
      Lysell
      Beecher or studnicka
      Vaakanienen
      2022 1st
      2023 2nd
      2022 3rd
      3.
      BOS
      1. Hischier, Nico
      2. Wood, Miles
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      solid Two way center would learn lots from bergy and would be his future replacement
      Unsure what NJ thinks of him and if they would move him i feel like for the right offer they would as they have
      Hughes, Mcleod, Mercer and Sharangovich can play wing or center they have a lot of depth

      adding lysell would set up there future at wing
      Holtz, Lysell, Bratt and Grityuk would most likely be the most elite wing group in the league 3-5 years from now
      NJD
        Lysell
        Vaakanienen
        Beecher
        2022 1st
        2023 2nd
        2022 3rd
        4.
        BOS
        1. Barzal, Mathew
        2. Clutterbuck, Cal ($1,750,000 retained)
        NYI
          Lysell
          Beecher
          Studnicka
          Reilly
          2022 1st
          2023 2nd
          2024 2nd
          5.
          BOS
          1. Pettersson, Elias
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          Highest ceiling
          strong 2 way play
          could see Sweeney and Cass wanting him to put on more weight
          VAN
            Lysell
            Beecher
            Debrusk
            2022 1st
            2024 1st
            2023 2nd
            6.
            BOS
            1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
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            definitely the least proven had a good sophomore year kinda regressed the next 2 seasons but has made a good comeback this year

            definitely one of the more intriguing players 6'3 220 plays a physical game and is decent 2 way this is the type of player B's fans have been wanting for a long time, Dubois would be one of the better options in terms of a replacement for bergy
            WPG
              Lysell
              Beecher
              2022 1st
              2023 2nd
              2022 3rd
              7.
              BOS
              1. Roy, Nicolas
              2. Theodore, Shea
              Additional Details:
              Roy RFA signing rights

              personally out of chych nad theodore i think theodores game would compliment mcavoys more.

              i could see this trade happening in the offseason if vegas didn't win the cup and kind of had a bit of retool
              VGK
                Lysell
                Vaakanienen
                Lauko
                2022 1st
                2023 3rd
                8.
                BOS
                1. Dahlin, Rasmus
                2. Mittelstadt, Casey
                3. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
                Additional Details:
                I really hate and like dahlin
                Dahlin atleast whenever facing boston has quite the edge he's always playing on the dangerous side and seems to like getting chippy and physical which B's need
                Outside of Pasta, Chucky, Marchy, Bergy, Sway and maybe carlo id give up anything to acquire him
                Him and Mcavoy would be a very very dangerous pairing as both of them can get real mean at times

                as for middlestadt id be willing to take a chance on him low cap hit and he is only 23 still room to grow i really liked him at the world juniors at times he shows some very nice skill and i wonder if his lack of production also came down to the lack of talent on buffalo, sucks he is hurt this year as Buffalo has looked decent this year and are playing a good team game if he would succeded as well as guys like skinner, okposo and thompson are all 3 of them are having good seasons

                Dahlin= Lysell+Vaak+Beecher+2 first+ 3rd
                Middlestadt+3rd = debrusk
                BUF
                  Lysell
                  Vaakaninen
                  Beecher
                  Debrusk
                  2022 1st
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.
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                  You aren't getting any of these guys except maybe Chychrun
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:15 p.m.
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                  Dubois is not available unless he makes it known he’s not extending.
                  If he were to get moved, Beecher would hold no interest to WPG
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:16 p.m.
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                  Such a weird list.
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.
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                  Boston doesn't have what it takes to get Dylan Larkin without a elite C prospect coming back and like you said Boston doesn't have one, We don't need Lysell and Studnicka is basically a 3C that Detroit has tons of. And Vakkanienen is basically a bottom pairing LD with Detroit and we've better in our pipeline then him. Most of these trades are so lop-sided in favor of Boston and all teams not named Boston pass.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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                  Appreciate the boldness of the move...and including Hischier.
                  But he is our captain and we are just getting going as a team.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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                  You want Pettersson you gotta give up McAvoy
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
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                  You can't get most of these guys they aren't available. Now chychrun is a guy you can get but Arizona probably wants a combo of picks, prospects and NHL ready guys.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:27 p.m.
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                  You want most of these players you had better plan on giving up the likes of Charlie McAvoy because quite a few would easily require him.
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:29 p.m.
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                  Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
                  Boston doesn't have what it takes to get Dylan Larkin without a elite C prospect coming back and like you said Boston doesn't have one, We don't need Lysell and Studnicka is basically a 3C that Detroit has tons of. And Vakkanienen is basically a bottom pairing LD with Detroit and we've better in our pipeline then him. Most of these trades are so lop-sided in favor of Boston and all teams not named Boston pass.


                  Vaak has looked very good lately i would say if leddy was moved vaak could definitely play in your top 4 with seider.
                  Vaak's 2 way game has developed well but his IQ is what stands out the most for a 23 yr old dman his Poise and IQ is very good especially with the limited amount of NHL games he recieved until this season. Vaak mostly plays with forbort but that is because forbort has struggled this season and Vaak makes sure that line isn't a complete mess but usually when facing elite forward lines vaak slots in with chucky 1st pairing

                  a lot of these trade teams are recieving 3 prospects or young NHL'ers and a plethora of picks i would neccessarily say it's lopsided as they gain more assets to fill out there roster i understand they loose out on young star players but i feel as players like dahlin and chych if there teams don't either make playoffs soon or show promise of a bright future they will soon ask for a trade especially dahlin buffalo ain't ideally a place you want to live in and if the team fails to compete soon he could pull an eichel. as for NJ i feel their need for top end C's are low and they could look to strengthen a position elsewhere they also clear a ton of cap for future re-signings and free agents
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:31 p.m.
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                  Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
                  You want most of these players you had better plan on giving up the likes of Charlie McAvoy because quite a few would easily require him.


                  chucky is more valuable and better then everyone on this list currently. the only person with a higher ceiling or comparable ceiling as him is EP and probably Dahlin
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:32 p.m.
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                  Quoting: mv21227
                  You want Pettersson you gotta give up McAvoy


                  how about carlo+ instead lol chucky id still rather have then EP top end RHD's are much harder to find then top end C's
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:34 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  chucky is more valuable and better then everyone on this list currently. the only person with a higher ceiling or comparable ceiling as him is EP and probably Dahlin


                  Fine, 99.9% of those players are unavailable. Only one is Chychrun and i'm still not sure if your offer is good enough.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:35 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  how about carlo+ instead lol chucky id still rather have then EP top end RHD's are much harder to find then top end C's


                  If we’re being realistic there’s no chance either EP or McAvoy get moved. But in a hypothetical trade I think it would have to be McAvoy, unless it was a significant + added to Carlo
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:38 p.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  Appreciate the boldness of the move...and including Hischier.
                  But he is our captain and we are just getting going as a team.


                  Ya honestly i know most these are very unlikely i am more just pointing out some high end players that catch my eye and that i think if sweeney was to do a blockbuster he should look to acquire one of these guys

                  I really like Hischier's game and i think he would learn a ton from bergy and could end up being one of the better two way forwards in the league if he was mentored right by bergy and marchy.

                  Another reason i considered him was just due to the fact that NJ has 3 High potential young C's, the move would just be so NJ could clear cap for future re-signings and free agents, Not have a future log jam at C and also i feel like one of the Hughes boys will end up being a very great leader and they will be deserving of that C very early on in their career
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:42 p.m.
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                  Quoting: CMcAvoy73
                  Such a weird list.


                  how B's fan always talk about how the only reason they would include Lysell in a trade is for a high end u24 C or LHD well all the guys i listed are high end younger C's or LHD's

                  guys like EP and Hischier play a sound 2 way game and with the mentorship of bergy and marchy could maybe help continue that trend of having an elite All around center on the team
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:46 p.m.
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                  Quoting: mv21227
                  If we’re being realistic there’s no chance either EP or McAvoy get moved. But in a hypothetical trade I think it would have to be McAvoy, unless it was a significant + added to Carlo


                  if carlo needed to be added i would consider a move of

                  EP
                  Myers retained to (4.5 mill)
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                  Carlo
                  Lysell
                  Debrusk
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                  2022 1st OR 2023 1st
                  opposite year 2nd
                  2024 2nd
                  so EP= Carlo, Lysell, Beecher, 1st, both 2nds
                  Myers(4.5 mill) = Debrusk potentially some left over value from EP part of deal
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 7:56 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  how B's fan always talk about how the only reason they would include Lysell in a trade is for a high end u24 C or LHD well all the guys i listed are high end younger C's or LHD's

                  guys like EP and Hischier play a sound 2 way game and with the mentorship of bergy and marchy could maybe help continue that trend of having an elite All around center on the team


                  Just seems like theres two, or maybe three categories of player here.

                  There’s chychrun….but then there’s dahlin.
                  There’s Pettersson, but then theres hischier and PLD. It’s just odd.

                  Side note: are we really calling guys that were 20th in selke voting because one random guy gave him a third place vote, “selke candidates?”
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:04 p.m.
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                  Quoting: CMcAvoy73
                  Just seems like theres two, or maybe three categories of player here.

                  There’s chychrun….but then there’s dahlin.
                  There’s Pettersson, but then theres hischier and PLD. It’s just odd.

                  Side note: are we really calling guys that were 20th in selke voting because one random guy gave him a third place vote, “selke candidates?”


                  I don't see a problem with that obviously there is your elite players like Dahlin and EP who will cost a fortune but then you have your still solid still young high level players like hischier and PLD who could be a very good add for us now and the future

                  as for the selke candidate both EP and hischier have shown high level defensive play give them 2 top defensive forward mentors and they could become selke contenders
                  1 vote may no be much but it is something work on as obviously someone saw something they really liked in their defensive play
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:29 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  I don't see a problem with that obviously there is your elite players like Dahlin and EP who will cost a fortune but then you have your still solid still young high level players like hischier and PLD who could be a very good add for us now and the future

                  as for the selke candidate both EP and hischier have shown high level defensive play give them 2 top defensive forward mentors and they could become selke contenders
                  1 vote may no be much but it is something work on as obviously someone saw something they really liked in their defensive play


                  The selke comment was in regards to your statement about Larkin.

                  Dahlin isn’t elite.
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:34 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  Ya honestly i know most these are very unlikely i am more just pointing out some high end players that catch my eye and that i think if sweeney was to do a blockbuster he should look to acquire one of these guys

                  I really like Hischier's game and i think he would learn a ton from bergy and could end up being one of the better two way forwards in the league if he was mentored right by bergy and marchy.

                  Another reason i considered him was just due to the fact that NJ has 3 High potential young C's, the move would just be so NJ could clear cap for future re-signings and free agents, Not have a future log jam at C and also i feel like one of the Hughes boys will end up being a very great leader and they will be deserving of that C very early on in their career


                  Mercer is transforming into a winger so it shouldn't be a problem for NJ
                  Even though Hughes is my favorite player, I have to disagree with him deserving to be the C this early in his career. Hischier is easily the better option for captain
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:43 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Dekes
                  Ya honestly i know most these are very unlikely i am more just pointing out some high end players that catch my eye and that i think if sweeney was to do a blockbuster he should look to acquire one of these guys

                  I really like Hischier's game and i think he would learn a ton from bergy and could end up being one of the better two way forwards in the league if he was mentored right by bergy and marchy.

                  Another reason i considered him was just due to the fact that NJ has 3 High potential young C's, the move would just be so NJ could clear cap for future re-signings and free agents, Not have a future log jam at C and also i feel like one of the Hughes boys will end up being a very great leader and they will be deserving of that C very early on in their career


                  Hischier is just as important to Devils as anyone else. There is no scenario that I can imagine in which he is traded. Appreciate the interest in him though.

                  We do have a surplus of centers, but instead of trading them, we just shift them to wing. Sharangovich and Mercer are possibilities, but highly doubtful. Boqvist is starting to deliver, so maybe too late to get him cheap. Zacha is the most likely available option from NJ.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:45 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Devil
                  Mercer is transforming into a winger so it shouldn't be a problem for NJ
                  Even though Hughes is my favorite player, I have to disagree with him deserving to be the C this early in his career. Hischier is easily the better option for captain


                  Hischier = all business
                  Hughes = good times

                  The “C” on Nico is no brainer.
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                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:47 p.m.
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                  Quoting: NHLfan10506
                  Hischier = all business
                  Hughes = good times

                  The “C” on Nico is no brainer.


                  Similar to whats happening in Chicago
                  Toews = Nico
                  Kane = Hughes

                  Kane and Hughes are the better players but Nico and Toews are the better leaders
                  Mar. 3, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.
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                  Quoting: Devil
                  Similar to whats happening in Chicago
                  Toews = Nico
                  Kane = Hughes

                  Kane and Hughes are the better players but Nico and Toews are the better leaders


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                  Mar. 4, 2022 at 1:58 a.m.
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                  Add Pasternak and a couple more first round picks to get Larkin.
                   
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