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The JT Miller Trade

Created by: jassan28
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 10, 2022
Published: Mar. 10, 2022
Team: 2021-22 Vancouver Canucks
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Lafrenière, Alexis
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,625,000 retained)
2.
VAN
  1. Lysell, Fabian
  2. 2023 4th round pick (BOS)
  3. 2024 6th round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Garland, Conor ($950,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Braden Holtby: $500,000
  • Jake Virtanen: $50,000
Retained Salary Transactions
  • J.T. Miller: $2,625,000 (50%)
  • Conor Garland: $950,000 (19.19%)
Recapture Fees
  • Roberto Luongo: $3,035,212
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$74,035,659$648,780$5,400,000$7,464,341
Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Lafrenière, Alexis
$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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Pettersson, Elias
$7,350,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
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Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Pearson, Tanner
$3,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 2
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Chiasson, Alex
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Motte, Tyler
$1,225,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Dickinson, Jason
$2,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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Lysell, Fabian
$925,000
RW
RFA - 4
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Podkolzin, Vasily
$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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Lammikko, Juho
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Höglander, Nils
$891,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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Rempal, Sheldon
$750,000
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UFA - 1
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Highmore, Matthew
$725,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Hughes, Quinn
$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 6
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Myers, Tyler
$6,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Demko, Thatcher
$5,000,000
G
UFA - 5
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Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
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Hamonic, Travis
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Halák, Jaroslav
$1,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 1
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Hunt, Brad
$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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Schenn, Luke
$850,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Bowey, Madison
$725,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Burroughs, Kyle
$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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Ferland, Micheal
$3,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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Poolman, Tucker
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
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Sutter, Brandon
$1,125,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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Keeper, Brady
$762,500
RD
UFA - 2

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Mar. 10 at 6:24 p.m.
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Why would i launch into some sort of deep analysis? Is that what you want? It just really seems like what you’re saying is, “zadina isn’t a bust because he was drafted by my favorite team, so I’m going to stick my head in the sand and pretend he’s been good.” He’s stunk! The world knows it. He has four pro years, and hasn’t really been able to do anything. Heck, he didn’t exactly rip up the AHL.

It’s okay dude. Guys don’t pan out. My favorite team has plenty of busts. Think I’m gonna say the bruins 2015 draft turned out stellar? No. It sucked.


Like I said; no argument. You run around on here saying this guy sucks or that guy sucks without ever really explaining anything you say. You're wrong but I want you to actually explain yourself for once or just shut up. I already don't respect you because of the way you act on here and your juvenile baiting won't get you out of this. You made a dumb comment about the trade and when called out about it you respond with Zadina sucks. I disagree but that's not what the argument is about and you know it. Explain why you think Jt miller isn't worth more than a late first and a bust of a 1st round pick. I'm waiting...
Mar. 10 at 6:31 p.m.
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Like I said; no argument. You run around on here saying this guy sucks or that guy sucks without ever really explaining anything you say. You're wrong but I want you to actually explain yourself for once or just shut up. I already don't respect you because of the way you act on here and your juvenile baiting won't get you out of this. You made a dumb comment about the trade and when called out about it you respond with Zadina sucks. I disagree but that's not what the argument is about and you know it. Explain why you think Jt miller isn't worth more than a late first and a bust of a 1st round pick. I'm waiting...


Scroll up dude. I explained that hours ago. Players of that pedigree don’t get traded in their second year of pro for a rental+ (by that i mean a guy with a year and a couple months left). Think I’m wrong? Find an example. Give me an instance of that happening. I’m normally of the school of thought that if something hasn’t happened before in the NHL, there’s probably a reason for it, and it isn’t likely to happen.

As for Zadina, let’s keep this simple. I think we can all agree that wingers drafted in the top ten of the NHL draft are drafted with the expectation of offense, and zadina just doesn’t score. Furthermore, his production levels have dropped year over year.
2019-2020: .55 points per game
2020-2021: .38 points per game
2021-2022: .32 points per game

Pretty simple stuff.
Mar. 10 at 6:31 p.m.
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Filip Zadina 141 games 55 points .39 ppg, Alexis Lafreniere 111 games 39 points .35 ppg. Can't have both way guys...
Mar. 10 at 6:32 p.m.
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Scroll up dude. I explained that hours ago. Players of that pedigree don’t get traded in their second year of pro for a rental+ (by that i mean a guy with a year and a couple months left). Think I’m wrong? Find an example. Give me an instance of that happening. I’m normally of the school of thought that if something hasn’t happened before in the NHL, there’s probably a reason for it, and it isn’t likely to happen.

As for Zadina, let’s keep this simple. I think we can all agree that wingers drafted in the top ten of the NHL draft are drafted with the expectation of offense, and zadina just doesn’t score. Furthermore, his production levels have dropped year over year.
2019-2020: .55 points per game
2020-2021: .38 points per game
2021-2022: .32 points per game

Pretty simple stuff.


You're right. Pretty simple huh?
Mar. 10 at 6:33 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Scroll up dude. I explained that hours ago. Players of that pedigree don’t get traded in their second year of pro for a rental+ (by that i mean a guy with a year and a couple months left). Think I’m wrong? Find an example. Give me an instance of that happening. I’m normally of the school of thought that if something hasn’t happened before in the NHL, there’s probably a reason for it, and it isn’t likely to happen.

As for Zadina, let’s keep this simple. I think we can all agree that wingers drafted in the top ten of the NHL draft are drafted with the expectation of offense, and zadina just doesn’t score. Furthermore, his production levels have dropped year over year.
2019-2020: .55 points per game
2020-2021: .38 points per game
2021-2022: .32 points per game

Pretty simple stuff.


1st overall picks will always be more scrutinized than T-10 overall picks. If you're a 1st overall pick you are expected to be the best player in the draft, the elite face of the draft. A T-10 pick can be a bust and not many bat an eye and roll it.
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Mar. 10 at 6:35 p.m.
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Quoting: RedWing9119
Filip Zadina 141 games 55 points .39 ppg, Alexis Lafreniere 111 games 39 points .35 ppg. Can't have both way guys...


Also to add Zadina plays with a roster with no offensive stars to 'touch-up' his numbers, Laffy got a team with a T-10 player with Panarin, a T-5 goal scorer Krieder this year, a T-3 Offensive D man in Fox.
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Mar. 10 at 6:40 p.m.
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1st overall picks will always be more scrutinized than T-10 overall picks. If you're a 1st overall pick you are expected to be the best player in the draft, the elite face of the draft. A T-10 pick can be a bust and not many bat an eye and roll it.


Okay, and?
Mar. 10 at 6:40 p.m.
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Also to add Zadina plays with a roster with no offensive stars to 'touch-up' his numbers, Laffy got a team with a T-10 player with Panarin, a T-5 goal scorer Krieder this year, a T-3 Offensive D man in Fox.


Yeah sorry if I screwed up your thread but this guy annoys because he just runs around on every thread with his glib little comments and then never backs them up. JT is 9th in scoring at 1.2 ppg and has another year left at a very reasonable rate. He's worth a ton.
Mar. 10 at 6:42 p.m.
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Filip Zadina 141 games 55 points .39 ppg, Alexis Lafreniere 111 games 39 points .35 ppg. Can't have both way guys...

Sure you can. I’ve said it about five times now. One is in his second year of pro, the other is in his fourth. One is showing signs of improvement, the other is trending the wrong way.
Mar. 10 at 6:42 p.m.
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You're right. Pretty simple huh?

Just to be clear, you’re honestly telling people they don’t have an argument?

Why not provide something of your own?
Mar. 10 at 6:43 p.m.
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Okay, and?


You are comparing players drafted in a position that includes McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon to players at 6th overall which would be 2015 Zacha, 2016 Tkachuk, 2017 Glass, 2013 Monahan guys. You probably don't hear a word on some 6th overalls while 1st overalls are the elite faces for the league
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Mar. 10 at 6:46 p.m.
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You are comparing players drafted in a position that includes McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon to players at 6th overall which would be 2015 Zacha, 2016 Tkachuk, 2017 Glass, 2013 Monahan guys. You probably don't hear a word on some 6th overalls while 1st overalls are the elite faces for the league


I’m not doing any of that. Did you mean to quote someone else?
Mar. 10 at 6:47 p.m.
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Just to be clear, you’re honestly telling people they don’t have an argument?

Why not provide something of your own?


Again the comment you made was in response to me saying the trade was not fair for Vancouver. Are you confused? Zadina had nothing to do with it other than me using him as an example of why Lafreniere wasn't worth it. Still waiting for you to tell me why JT Miller isn't worth more than a late first and a failed prospect...
Mar. 10 at 6:51 p.m.
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Again the comment you made was in response to me saying the trade was not fair for Vancouver. Are you confused? Zadina had nothing to do with it other than me using him as an example of why Lafreniere wasn't worth it. Still waiting for you to tell me why JT Miller isn't worth more than a late first and a failed prospect...


I think I’ve done that about four times now.

Then the discussion shifted. You asked for an argument as to why zadina is a bust (and why he’s different than lafreniere). You whined and complained about a lack of an argument. I gave you one. Do you dispute it? Do you have any thoughts of your own to the contrary? Is it simply because you don’t want a high draft pick from your favorite team to be bad?
Mar. 10 at 6:52 p.m.
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I’m not doing any of that. Did you mean to quote someone else?


I was quoting 'One is in his second year of pro, the other is in his fourth. One is showing signs of improvement, the other is trending the wrong way.'
Mar. 10 at 6:54 p.m.
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I was quoting 'One is in his second year of pro, the other is in his fourth. One is showing signs of improvement, the other is trending the wrong way.'


Okay. And? What’s the point there? I didn’t bring up Zadina, another poster did. All I was saying was that there is a clear reason for people thinking one is a bust, and the other still has potential.
Mar. 10 at 6:56 p.m.
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I think I’ve done that about four times now.

Then the discussion shifted. You asked for an argument as to why zadina is a bust (and why he’s different than lafreniere). You whined and complained about a lack of an argument. I gave you one. Do you dispute it? Do you have any thoughts of your own to the contrary? Is it simply because you don’t want a high draft pick from your favorite team to be bad?


You still haven't given a single reason why and I've done no whining. You simply spouted off something and now you don't know how to back it up because you can't. This is a waste of my time as I suspected it would be. Have a nice day.
Mar. 10 at 6:58 p.m.
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I was quoting 'One is in his second year of pro, the other is in his fourth. One is showing signs of improvement, the other is trending the wrong way.'


Also it's hilarious that he said "one's showing signs of improvement" when he's actually regressed points wise and his shooting percentage is above 17%...
Mar. 10 at 7:03 p.m.
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You still haven't given a single reason why and I've done no whining. You simply spouted off something and now you don't know how to back it up because you can't. This is a waste of my time as I suspected it would be. Have a nice day.


Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Scroll up dude. I explained that hours ago. Players of that pedigree don’t get traded in their second year of pro for a rental+ (by that i mean a guy with a year and a couple months left). Think I’m wrong? Find an example. Give me an instance of that happening. I’m normally of the school of thought that if something hasn’t happened before in the NHL, there’s probably a reason for it, and it isn’t likely to happen.

As for Zadina, let’s keep this simple. I think we can all agree that wingers drafted in the top ten of the NHL draft are drafted with the expectation of offense, and zadina just doesn’t score. Furthermore, his production levels have dropped year over year.
2019-2020: .55 points per game
2020-2021: .38 points per game
2021-2022: .32 points per game

Pretty simple stuff.


So no response to that? Nothing? You don’t have any argument as to why he isn’t a bust? What has he done to indicate otherwise?

And you have the balls to chastise people for not having an argument…that’s rich.
Mar. 10 at 7:20 p.m.
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So what is a player who’s top 10 in points this season, top 15 the last 3 seasons, who plays all 3 forward positions and special teams, with retention to 2.625M for this season and next worth? Because Lafreniere has not looked very good


Quoting: jassan28
A year and a couple of months for a Top 10 point-getter that carries a team on his back. JT Millers > players like Landeskog, Tkachuk, Nylander, etc


Sounds like you are gonna pay him 9.5++ enjoy that !
Mar. 10 at 8:06 p.m.
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So no response to that? Nothing? You don’t have any argument as to why he isn’t a bust? What has he done to indicate otherwise?

And you have the balls to chastise people for not having an argument…that’s rich.


Production doesn't require elite skill in this league, Bunting is not an elite player on his own, he's elite with his teammates, My argument for Zadina favours that he is on a rebuilding roster with no intention required to compete. Laffy is on a contending roster with some of the best names in the league for their positions. Sample size is too small to call 'bust' for either
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Sounds like you are gonna pay him 9.5++ enjoy that !


Miller would be the top player and highest ppg player on a deep deep Rangers roster if he was traded, I think Nucks will give him bank if they want him to resign
Mar. 10 at 8:13 p.m.
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Production doesn't require elite skill in this league, Bunting is not an elite player on his own, he's elite with his teammates, My argument for Zadina favours that he is on a rebuilding roster with no intention required to compete. Laffy is on a contending roster with some of the best names in the league for their positions. Sample size is too small to call 'bust' for either


I just don’t see how any of that is relevant.
Mar. 10 at 11:06 p.m.
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Miller would be the top player and highest ppg player on a deep deep Rangers roster if he was traded, I think Nucks will give him bank if they want him to resign


Rather zibanejad Panarin or fox. Hes having a career year and hope you guys give him his 9m+
 
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