Defensemen Chiarot has more goals than

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Created by: Campabee

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 14, 2022

Published: Mar. 14, 2022

Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens

Description

I tried to keep the list to those teams either rumored to be in on Chiarot or the players rumored to be available as well. I did however throw some other big names that aren't on either list in as well.

Players on the LW are players who Chiarot has more goals and points than from teams rumored to be interested. Players on at C are players Chiarot has more goals than but less points on teams rumored to be in on Chiarot. Players on RW are players Chiarot has more goals than but less points for teams not rumored to be in on Chiarot. LD are players rumored to be available that Chiarot has more goals and points than. RD are players rumored to be available who Chiarot has more goals than but less points.

Not trying to troll just prove that while some fans dislike Chiarot for their own reasons, that Chiarot is not really as bad as everyone lets on him to be.

Disclaimer here is that some of these guys will likely pass Chiarot in at least one category but the teams rumored in on him have their reasons to like his game on both sides of the puck.

Trades

MTL

Brodie, TJ
Dahlström, Carl
Dermott, Travis
Holl, Justin
Liljegren, Timothy
Lyubushkin, Ilya
Muzzin, Jake
Rielly, Morgan
Sandin, Rasmus

TOR

MTL

Letang, Kris

PIT

MTL

Chabot, Thomas

OTT

MTL

Fowler, Cam

ANA

MTL

Nurse, Darnell

EDM

MTL

Giordano, Mark

SEA

MTL

Sergachev, Mikhail

TBL

MTL

Hughes, Quinn

VAN

MTL

Ekman-Larsson, Oliver

VAN

10.

MTL

Leddy, Nick

DET

11.

MTL

Ristolainen, Rasmus

PHI

12.

MTL

Zadorov, Nikita

CGY

13.

MTL

Manson, Josh

ANA

14.

MTL

Määttä, Olli

LAK

15.

MTL

Lindholm, Hampus

ANA

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $1,958,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Brett Kulak: $925,000 (50%)
Ben Chiarot: $1,750,000 (50%)
Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (50%)
Nick Bonino: $1,025,000 (50%)
Artturi Lehkonen: $1,150,000 (50%)

Buried

Paul Byron: $2,275,000 ($3,400,000)

DRAFT YEAR	ROUND 1	ROUND 2	ROUND 3	ROUND 4	ROUND 5	ROUND 6	ROUND 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
26	$81,500,000	$159,351,480	$597,561	$1,337,500	-$77,851,480

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Dahlström, Carl $750,000 LD UFA - 1	Fowler, Cam $6,500,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 5	Letang, Kris $7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis $1,500,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Nurse, Darnell $5,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000 LD UFA - 7
Holl, Justin $2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 3	Sergachev, Mikhail $4,800,000 LD/RD UFA - 2
Liljegren, Timothy $863,333 RD RFA - 1	Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000 LD NMC UFA - 1
Lyubushkin, Ilya $1,350,000 RD UFA - 1	Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000 LD UFA - 6
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167 LD RFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000 LD NTC UFA - 3
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver $7,260,000 LD NMC UFA - 6
Zadorov, Nikita $3,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Määttä, Olli $3,333,225 LD UFA - 1
Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,400,000 RD UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Manson, Josh $2,050,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Giordano, Mark $3,375,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Price, Carey $10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 5
Leddy, Nick $2,750,000 LD UFA - 1	Lindholm, Hampus $2,602,778 LD UFA - 1	Primeau, Cayden $880,833 G RFA - 1
		Montembeault, Samuel $750,000 G UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Chiarot, Ben $1,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Weber, Shea $7,857,143 RD UFA - 5
	Petry, Jeff $6,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Evans, Jake $750,000 C UFA - 1
	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Dauphin, Laurent $750,000 C UFA - 1
	Kulak, Brett $925,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
	Caufield, Cole $880,833 LW RFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
	Romanov, Alexander $894,167 LD RFA - 1	Pitlick, Rem $917,831 LW, C, RW UFA - 1
	Schueneman, Corey $750,000 LD UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $863,333 C UFA - 1
	Poehling, Ryan $750,000 LW, C RFA - 2	Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000 LW UFA - 3
	Wideman, Chris $750,000 RD UFA - 1	Lehkonen, Artturi $1,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 6	Perreault, Mathieu $950,000 LW, RW, C UFA - 1
	Edmundson, Joel $3,500,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Pezzetta, Michael $750,000 LW, RW RFA - 1
	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000 C, LW UFA - 4
	Savard, David $3,500,000 RD UFA - 4
	Allen, Jake $2,875,000 G UFA - 2
	Pitlick, Tyler $1,750,000 RW UFA - 1
	Clague, Kale $761,250 LD/RD RFA - 1
	Hammond, Andrew $750,000 G UFA - 1

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.

GeneralLandro

Fowler 4 Norris

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Fowler is so much better

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.

BadaBing

Go Habs Go

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Well said!!

Lots of people troll on Chiarot

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.

themostleaf33

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Morgan Rielly also has 46 points, Chiarot has 18, so apparently one goal is worth 29 assists?!

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.

jboyd919

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cool.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:33 p.m.

JaredOfLondon

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He's also the worst defensive player on the list by 1000 miles

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

Fowler is so much better

That is not the point of the thread, the point is to show that Chiarot is not as bad as opposing fans make him out to be. There are many players on the list with more offensive talent than Chiarot but who for whatever reason are not scoring as well or putting up as many points this year. As I said some of the players will undoubtedly pass Chiarot by the end of the season.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:35 p.m.

JaredOfLondon

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Quoting: BadaBing

Well said!!

Lots of people troll on Chiarot

Because he's terrible defensively, not because hesgot a shooting % double his career average

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: themostleaf33

Morgan Rielly also has 46 points, Chiarot has 18, so apparently one goal is worth 29 assists?!

You are misreading what the point of the thread is (or twisting it so you can troll). This is not about value or who is better or worse it is simply to show that Chiarot has offensive talent and is not as useless as many fans like to say.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:37 p.m.

Rew77

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Chiarot is a minus 18. That's how good he is on both sides of the puck, he's always on the wrong side

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:39 p.m.

#10

Shire

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Quoting: Rew77

Chiarot is a minus 18. That's how good he is on both sides of the puck, he's always on the wrong side

Devils advocate here, +/- isnt a good stat to track, or else Edmundson wouldve been a top defender last season as he was among the top players in +/-

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:43 p.m.

#11

GMs

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Quoting: Rew77

Chiarot is a minus 18. That's how good he is on both sides of the puck, he's always on the wrong side

The team goals differential is -77 so unless you are called Bergeron O’Reilly Stone Danault or Lehkonen than you’re a minus

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:53 p.m.

#12

OldNYIfan

First NY Then LA

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Quoting: Campabee

You're setting up a straw man here. Very few of us non-Montreal fans say that Chiarot is "bad" or "useless," although some of us criticize him as a "bad defender." What almost all of us constantly take issue with is Montreal fans' evaluation of him as worth a first-round draft pick and a third-round draft pick (or the equivalent added factor). Anthony DuClair has more goals (24) and points (45) than Nick Suzuki (16-27=43), but none of us is suggesting that Suzuki is "bad" or "useless" or that it would be anything but utterly insane for Montreal to trade one for the other. Yes, there is a value to offensively-productive defensemen, but Chiarot is not about to be his new team's savior when he signs his new contract.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:53 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: Rew77

Chiarot is a minus 18. That's how good he is on both sides of the puck, he's always on the wrong side

Oh yes the infamous +- stat argument, it is such an overrated and obsolete stat to use but lets see how everyone ranks

Lindholm 0
Manson 0
Fowler -6
Leddy -31
Nurse +9
Zadorov +10
Maatta +16
Letang +20
Giordano -21
Sergachev +12
Hughes +8
Chabot +1
OEL 0
Brodie +14
Holl +13
Liljegren +7
Sandin +7
Reilly + 6
Dermott +4
Dahlstrom +1
Lybushkin +1
Biega -2
Rubins -2
Muzzin -8

So going just off of +- you are saying that Chiarot is better than Giordano and Leddy and Muzzin is the worst defender the Leafs have. That is how ridiculous of an argument +- is.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:56 p.m.

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drambui

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i love how you just put straight cold facts to peolple face and people miss the point entirely.

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Mar. 14, 2022 at 4:57 p.m.

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Campabee

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Edited Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.

Quoting: OldNYIfan

Really, how about you go back through some ACGM's and see what most fans say about Chiarot. They call him slow, a pylon, bad defender, no offensive talent, is only good at cross checking and the list goes on and on.

EDIT** Like I said this in NOT to indicate that Chiarot is better then any of these other defensemen just that he isn't as one dimensional as many believe or like to troll about.

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Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:01 p.m.

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Rew77

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Quoting: GMs

The team goals differential is -77 so unless you are called Bergeron O’Reilly Stone Danault or Lehkonen than you’re a minus

Quoting: Campabee

Only two players on Montreal have a worse +/- . Chiarot is bad on a bad team

Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.

#17

JaredOfLondon

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Quoting: Campabee

Yes, these are all true things about chariot

Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.

#18

OldNYIfan

First NY Then LA

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Quoting: Campabee

Well, if you say so. I'm sure that you're much more sensitive to criticism of your players than I am (of criticism of your players) -- just as I'm touchy when people say "Max Comtois needs a change of scenery" or especially "John Gibson is no longer an elite goaltender" (although his record for his 10 starts since February 1 is pretty appalling).

Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.

#19

odyssey

H.Lindholm Lover

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lets see those defensive stats and where he stacks up against these guys

Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.

#20

odyssey

H.Lindholm Lover

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dhalstrom hasent played yet

Mar. 14, 2022 at 5:11 p.m.

#21

Campabee

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Probably but show me one true hockey fan who isn't passionate about their team to the point of being touchy when other fans talk trash about their team\player LOL. I get everyone is tired of seeing the Chiarot for a 1st + to their teams, but the fact is Montreal has one of the 5 biggest fanbases in the league and on this site alone the only fan base that out number us is probably the Leafs. So you are going to see a lot of trades from Habs fans from now until TDL day for Chiarot for a 1st + because that is what the pundits are saying the ask is. Blame us if you want but this isn't just Habs fans idolizing their players to the extreme this was put out there by reputable media guys with connections to NHL executives.

Mar. 14, 2022 at 10:25 p.m.

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SevenLeg

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Quoting: Rew77

He

Only two players on Montreal have a worse +/- . Chiarot is bad on a bad team

Well very few of them play tougher competition or get more d-zone starts than Chiarot. It does have an impact on +/-

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