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Initial Creation Date: Mar. 15, 2022
Published: Mar. 15, 2022
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Really need to be studying so what better way to procrastinate than make this. Let me know what you think about some of these trades. Not sure about values on a lot of em but this is where I’m at on a lot of things. Some other options that I’d consider too but I’ve been at this for to long. Let me know what you think.
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1.
STL
  1. Chychrun, Jakob
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I know JR said we aren’t targeting him and he’s injured right now but I like what Chychrun brings and think him and parayko could be lethal.
ARI
    Perunovich, Bolduc, kostin, scandella, 2023 1st, 2022 3rd
    2.
    STL
    1. Lindholm, Hampus
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    Personally, I don’t really want to throw the bag at a rental but if we’re going to I think Lindholm is the clear choice. He would give us a solid shutdown with parayko. Also, think we have to get rid of scandella to help our team and free up the cap space to make most of these deals work.
    ANA
      Perunovich, scandella, 2022 1st, 2022 4th
      3.
      STL
      1. Miller, Colin
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      Not sure why I haven’t seen this option anywhere. Not a top tier choice but definitely fills a need and would be much cheaper than a lot of the other options. Wouldn’t mind this one at all cause we wouldn’t have to give up a ton of future
      BUF
        2022 3rd, 2023 6th
        4.
        STL
        1. Chiarot, Ben
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        Really hope this doesn’t happen and if it does that we don’t give up what the alleged asking price is. I wouldn’t give up much to have scandella 2.0
        MTL
          2022 4th, 2023 3rd
          5.
          STL
          1. Sanheim, Travis
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          I really like this option cause he comes with a year of term. Not sure how willing Philly is to part ways but I think Sanheim would be a great partner to parayko and would lock up our top for for this year and next. Probably my first choice.
          PHI
            Perunovich, Scandella, 2022 1st, 2022 4th
            6.
            STL
            1. Järnkrok, Calle
            2. Soucy, Carson
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            This would give us an upgrade at LD and solidify that 4th line. I think a lot of other teams are after Jarnkrok so it sure we would win this one. Would do Soucy alone too but figured I’d group em together
            SEA
              Kostin, 2023 2nd, 2022 3rd
              7.
              STL
              1. Giordano, Mark
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              Another one JR said we aren’t seeking out but I wouldn’t mind seeing this. Lots of experience and leadership while still serviceable. Don’t wanna give up to much for a rental of this caliber.
              SEA
                Kostin, scandella, 2023 2nd
                8.
                STL
                  Everything after this would be an off-season move
                  TOR
                    Everything before this was TDL. Didn’t feel like adding salary retention or anything but just pretend.
                    9.
                    STL
                    1. Provorov, Ivan
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                    If we don’t get a defenseman at the TDL and the Flyers want to “retool” and if vladdy still wants out, they were the main team interested in him. Rumor mill says there’s some disagreements between provorov and the flyers and a change of scenery may be good for both parties. I think he’d be a great partner with parayko. Cap works if you exchange the two. Has some term but only a couple years so not too bad if it doesn’t work out. Not sure what his value is so this is kind of random, let me know what you think. Also, throwing scandella in there because I hate him and want him gone.
                    PHI
                      Tarasenko, Scandella
                      10.
                      STL
                      1. Hague, Nicolas
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                      Cap strapped Vegas. Don’t think this is all that likely and some other teams can but like the idea of getting younger and he’s a solid LD. Not really sure what the ask would be or if they would even be willing to do this.
                      VGK
                        Walman, 2023 3rd
                        11.
                        STL
                        1. Gunler, Noel [Reserve List]
                        2. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
                        3. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
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                        Again, this is if vladdy wants to leave. But I think we can get good young assets from him and slot our forwards up and sign an affordable 3rd/4th line winger to fill the gap he left while the young assets we receive develop. Also, not sure if Carolina would still be interested but they were in the off-season. I know they are real high on morrow and not sure what the value is here so let me know. A 1st and 2 2nds seems fair for a 30 goal/70pts veteran
                        CAR
                          Tarasenko
                          12.
                          STL
                          1. Mukhamadullin, Shakir
                          2. Zacha, Pavel
                          3. 2022 2nd round pick (NJD)
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                          They’ve got a lot of left D prospects and Zacha needs a change of scenery. I know they want to go younger cause they aren’t quite there but vladdy brings some veteran, championship pedigree. Not sure if they would agree he’s worth this with only a year left and his age but he’s shown he’s healthy and can drive play and score goals. Would be a great 1RW for the devils while holtz and Mercer continue to develop. This gives the blues a solid LD prospect, especially if Perunovich is dealt at the deadline. And zacha could be a good piece for the middle 6 if you take vladdy out and slot Kyrou/buch as RW 1 and 2. Not sure where we’re at value wise here. Maybe the Blues throw in a pick? It’s not exactly the win-now move Armstrong would typically make tho
                          NJD
                            Tarasenko
                            13.
                            STL
                            1. Frederic, Trent
                            2. Lysell, Fabian
                            3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
                            Additional Details:
                            Similar deal as the two above. Team in win now gives up assets to win now. Again, not sure where people are at on this.
                            BOS
                              Tarasenko
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                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:15 p.m.
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                              Gonna have to give up the 1st + whether you like it or not for Chiarot otherwise the Habs trade him somewhere else. BTW there are rumors out there that the Blues are the favorite for Chiarot.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Campabee
                              Gonna have to give up the 1st + whether you like it or not for Chiarot otherwise the Habs trade him somewhere else. BTW there are rumors out there that the Blues are the favorite for Chiarot.


                              I know the ask is a first that’s why I said I would hate to see it. I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than I have there. This trade is unrealistic but I just really hope we don’t go that route.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.
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                              Quoting: aldore
                              I know the ask is a first that’s why I said I would hate to see it. I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than I have there. This trade is unrealistic but I just really hope we don’t go that route.


                              Actually a "fair value" offer for Chiarot is a 2nd or 2nd + 3rd in the offseason (Habs fans honestly would be happy with that type of return) but at the deadline teams overpay and many are predicting this to be the case for Chiarot since there aren't that many top 4 D available and there are many teams looking for one.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:21 p.m.
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                              Ducks trade: Scandella will need at least a 3rd to take his contract, we really don’t need another LD for the system right now so that doesn’t get it done with the 1st
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.
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                              YO,

                              the copium that will be needed when they trade Jake Neighbours for chariot is gonna be hilarious ahahha

                              I find the whole Chariot situation hilarious.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:31 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Campabee
                              Gonna have to give up the 1st + whether you like it or not for Chiarot otherwise the Habs trade him somewhere else. BTW there are rumors out there that the Blues are the favorite for Chiarot.


                              What rumor? Show us.


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                              YO,

                              the copium that will be needed when they trade Jake Neighbours for chariot is gonna be hilarious ahahha




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                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:31 p.m.
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                              TDL

                              You're overpaying on the first two, the Blues should hard pass the next two (not at all sure why you think Miller is a need), then back to the overpay for Sanheim in my book, overpay to Seattle (and I'm not so interested in Jarnkrok anyway), and the Gio trade would be a huge mistake.

                              OFFSEASON

                              The Flyers trade is alright, but not my first choice. I'd love to get one over on Vegas, but can't see them going for this deal. You're asking too much from Carolina. The Devils trade mmm maybe not the pieces I'd pick, but it's okay. Boston passes easy.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:33 p.m.
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                              Quoting: aldore
                              I know the ask is a first that’s why I said I would hate to see it. I personally wouldn’t want to give up more than I have there. This trade is unrealistic but I just really hope we don’t go that route.


                              I understand what you are saying. I would like to give 2x 1st rd for Mc David but it`s never going to happen. Why even bother putting such a trade on the board for Chiarot, people will only see you as trolling others.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:45 p.m.
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                              Quoting: mokumboi
                              What rumor? Show us.


                              https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1503759632891793421?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

                              https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2022/03/nhl-rumors-canadiens-defenseman.html
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 3:57 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Campabee
                              https://twitter.com/EricEngels/status/1503759632891793421?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

                              https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2022/03/nhl-rumors-canadiens-defenseman.html


                              Okay, well the second link is just a dream board blog. "A 1st and an elite prospect = hilarious fantasyland.

                              The first one, okay, on the link... but where is the favorites part?
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.
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                              Quoting: BadaBing
                              I understand what you are saying. I would like to give 2x 1st rd for Mc David but it`s never going to happen. Why even bother putting such a trade on the board for Chiarot, people will only see you as trolling others.


                              Yeah, i just felt like i needed to include a chairot one since hes one of the most common names out there.
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                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
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                              Quoting: mokumboi
                              Okay, well the second link is just a dream board blog. "A 1st and an elite prospect = hilarious fantasyland.

                              The first one, okay, on the link... but where is the favorites part?


                              "I think STL is heavy in it." Quoted from EE

                              I agree with you on the first second one though lol.

                              There are also apparently some on Twitter but I don't have twitter to see whether they are reputable or not
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.
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                              Quoting: mokumboi
                              TDL

                              You're overpaying on the first two, the Blues should hard pass the next two (not at all sure why you think Miller is a need), then back to the overpay for Sanheim in my book, overpay to Seattle (and I'm not so interested in Jarnkrok anyway), and the Gio trade would be a huge mistake.


                              OFFSEASON

                              The Flyers trade is alright, but not my first choice. I'd love to get one over on Vegas, but can't see them going for this deal. You're asking too much from Carolina. The Devils trade mmm maybe not the pieces I'd pick, but it's okay. Boston passes easy.


                              TDL

                              I get why you say overpay on the first two but its gonna cost a bit extra to get rid of scandella. I think the Chycrun one is what would need to happen to get it done without giving up neighbors plus no need for perunovich if we had chycrun on a team friendly deal for years to come. Same thing goes for the snaheim deal. Id like to do Perunovich, scandella, and a second but i dont think that gets them to take scandellas contract. I agree that im not crazy about the seattle ones. I think collin miller is an upgrade from scandlela and could maybe pair well with parayko which is why i added that one.

                              Offseason
                              I think the philly one is reasonable and fills Blues needs for win now by filling top 4 LD need. The others with vladdy i feel like he is worth a 1st and 2 seocnds forsure. Gunler and Morrow were 2nds and their first would likely be bottom 5 of the first round. I know they probably wont want to part with morrow but dont think its all that far off. Also dont think the boston one is as far off as youre implying but like i said, im not sure how teams will value vladdy. Boston knows they need to win soon with bergy and marchands age and their weak prospect pool but they probably want to look for a center before RW.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:27 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Campabee
                              "I think STL is heavy in it." Quoted from EE


                              Okay, but anything about favorites is not there.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:34 p.m.
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                              Quoting: mokumboi
                              Okay, but anything about favorites is not there.


                              Splitting hairs much?! Heavily in on, Favorites not a lot of difference IMO. I know you don't like the idea of Chiarot to the Blues (TBH the Blues wouldn't be my first choice either due to the lack of top prospects in their pool outside Neighbors and Bolduc) but of the 8-10 teams supposedly interested they are likely top 5 in terms of fit.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:43 p.m.
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                              Quoting: Campabee
                              Splitting hairs much?! Heavily in on, Favorites not a lot of difference IMO. I know you don't like the idea of Chiarot to the Blues (TBH the Blues wouldn't be my first choice either due to the lack of top prospects in their pool outside Neighbors and Bolduc) but of the 8-10 teams supposedly interested they are likely top 5 in terms of fit.


                              Hold up a minute... is it me splitting hairs or is it you claiming stuff that isn't actually in the commentary as fact? Let's get it straight here, pal.

                              Besides, all four other teams mentioned next are supposedly "teams to watch" - so even if you want to infer something, I'm not really seeing any direct lead into "the Blues are favorites". Plus he said he thinks they're in it. This + the whack second link does not constitute rumors the Blues are the favorite.

                              So that about covers that. Carry on.
                              Mar. 15, 2022 at 4:52 p.m.
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                              Quoting: mokumboi
                              Hold up a minute... is it me splitting hairs or is it you claiming stuff that isn't actually in the commentary as fact? Let's get it straight here, pal.

                              Besides, all four other teams mentioned next are supposedly "teams to watch" - so even if you want to infer something, I'm not really seeing any direct lead into "the Blues are favorites". Plus he said he thinks they're in it. This + the whack second link does not constitute rumors the Blues are the favorite.

                              So that about covers that. Carry on.


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