How does Chiarot go up in value like hourly? Why does Calgary have to pay to move Gudbranson who has been better than Chiarot this year (and shoots right)

Gudbranson is on my personal issues with him. Hated him when he played for Penguins.. Chiarot is a mystery cause he is speculated in almost every trade i ve seen

That's fine if you don't like Guddy but he's been excellent in Calgary and they probably extend him. Chiarot's not going to end up in Calgary, they aren't going to pay the price for him just to be their 7th best defenseman

zadorov-chiarot would be hilarious

Remember the stanley cup final how STL won because they were dominant physically. Chariot helps for that. In the playoff, he can deploy more of his ''tools'' that are normally penalized in the regular season.

During the leafs-habs serie, the Matthews, Marner and Nylander were a lot more hesitant to go in the corners when they knew they were going to get punished. Same thing for the Jets and the Knights.

While if you look at Tampa Bay, most of the goals were off the rush, turnovers or PP - the other goals (cycling-type goals) were mostly scored by the third and fourth line.

Chariot in the regular season was meh... but come playoff time, he blocks shots, punishes opponents and eats 28minutes a night. He fits right in the flame's mold.

This is the easiest no of the day. Not even remotely close.

You are so bias it’s ridiculous
Do you think if Gudbranson was on the market he would be worth anything more than a 3rd RD pick ? No, he wouldn’t, while Chiarot price is a 1st RD pick +. He might not get it, but Chiarot is wayyy better than Gudbranson, it’s not even close

Why is that any different than Zadorov and Gudbranson who play the same game just better this season? He fits nothing for the Flames, those kind of players play 15 - 20 minutes a night come playoff time, Calgary has two of them, zero need for Chiarot

Find anything that says that's true this season.

Based on what exactly? In what way has Chairot been better than Gudbranson at all this season?

Expect crickets....

Gudbranson probably would net a 3rd, I'll give you that, but he's not being moved with how well he's played on the 3rd pair, so we will never know.
The funny part is that you think Chiarot is worth a 1st + because of one playoff run. He's not terrible, but he doesn't crack the Flames lineup with how well the defense are playing. If you want a 1st (or value around there), maybe trade him to a team that needs dmen.

And its not exactly a bias when Gudbranson is playing better than Chiarot in almost every aspect...

You got to put in perspective the team he is on this year... just like Toffoli who is tearing it up, Chariot is likely to do the same on a better team.

You want an answer here you go

Gudbranson 5-9-14 on one of the best teams in the league
Chiarot 7-11-18 on the worst team in the league

Pretty much says it all huh! Now you can stop trolling everywhere

Identical points/60....... using points to determine the value of a stay at home defenceman....... NEEXT!

Chiarot is proving he is not just a stay at home D man but has decent offensive skills as well. points/60 might be identical but QoT is not Calgary is a full 39 points ahead in the standings and a whopping 141 difference in point differential. Considering that Chiarot is playing on a team who hasn't been able to score for the better part of the year, his point totals on a team like Calgary would obviously be much much higher.

Flames had desperately needed a top line RW for years. Fact remains, why pay a 1st + or Pelletier to ruin the chemistry that has been built all season...

The problem with Chiarot for me is not that he is better or worse than any of the flames d, just the fit isn’t right. There is no point in breaking up the third pair for the flames, they’re built for the playoffs and will lean even harder on guys then.
Chiarot’s game is more similar to Tanev’s in that they both benefit playing with faster puck moving d partners. I think having Chiarot play with Tanev makes the d pair to slow and not a good enough puck moving pair to be effective in the playoffs, high leaves him playing with Ras, which might actually work and would allow you to either move Hannifin down and back with Tanev. But at this point of the season messing with the chemistry on that back end is not worth the cost. And in no scenario does Chiarot get you guys Pelletier.

Awful for the sharks. I would be looking for Coranato and a first instead.

Gudbranson plays 3rd pairing role against lesser opponents while Chiarot is our #1 dman (he shouldn’t tho) and doing a terrific job. Terrific and being last but he shouldn’t be a #1, in the perfect world a #4-5. Gudbranson is a #6-7 in the perfect world. They are not even close, remove Hanifin Andersson Kylington Tanev and play him 30 min a night against other teams top line. I would love to see that

Well it's a very good thing that if Calgary was trading for him he would be there to fight for a spot on the bottom pairing so the continual ask for PElletier and a 1st is absolute insanity for a player that has lesser numbers and is playing worse than Gudbranson and Zadorov. The equivalent of what you just said is remove Caufield, Suzuki, Anderson, Gallagher, Hoffman and the Habs should trade for a top 6 forward. Obviously.... but that's not the case, the notion that Calgary brings in a D man that poooooosssibly improves their bottom paid for Pelletier and a 1st is braindead talk.

Just because Gudbranson plays on Calgary's 3rd pair does not mean he only plays against 3rd and 4th liners, Calgary roles all 3 pairing relatively evenly, nobody is being sheltered. Gudbranson and Zadorov sit justa little below the league wide medium in QoC, and for a 3rd pair that is relatively high. While you are correct that Chiarot plays against a higher QoC on average that does not excuse him playing poorly against them. It is similar to Braun, he has fairly high QoC but not particularly strong numbers against them because he is playing in a role above his skill level.

Would Chiarot perform better in a 3rd pair role? Probably, but it's purely speculation to say he would do it better than either of Gudbranson or Zadorov who have proven to be very effective in their roles. The justification to spend major assets to not even guarantee you are upgrading a position is counterintuitive. It's different for teams like St. Louis, Toronto, Florida, Edmonton, and NYR where they have a clear hole in their top 6 that Chiarot could upgrade.

I am not saying Chiarot won't get a solid return, because he probably will. It just won't be from Calgary. The reason Calgary is still kicking tires is because GMBT is literally always kicking tires with every somewhat interesting player in trade rumours. Chiarot would be an excellent #6/7 addition for the Flames but if the price stays too high for them it won't happen. If anything Habs fans should be mad about Calgary still being talked about in the mix because that means negotiations have likely gone cold with their original asking prices

MMmh? Chariot was at his best with Weber - so I don't know where you get that analysis.

I will just say that Chiarot is better than Zadorov & Gudbranson by a large margin & could be used more than Kylington. Or maybe 3rd pairing instead of Zadorov and if an injury occurs, than you got someone who can play easily on the top 4 (because Zadorov isn’t good enough). But again, I understand you guys not welling to pay an hefty price for Chiarot. I wouldn’t trade a 1st alone for him, but he isn’t bad like you pretend. Maybe a 50ish pick is fine for him, but that’s it. Unfortunately for the team acquiring him, they will overpay

But you make that statement based on nothing, Zadorov has played far better this year and so has Gudbranson. The only viable argument you've made is QoC and that just means you can only speculate how much better Chiarot would be in a sheltered role.

Why would he be used more than Kylington? He is one of the more mobile defensemen in the league and is significantly better offensively