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My final asking price on Nick Paul from the 4 teams that are linked to him

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2021-22 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 18, 2022
Published: Mar. 18, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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1.
OTT
  1. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
TBL
  1. Paul, Nicholas ($675,000 retained)
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
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My final asking price on Nick Paul is a 2nd round pick or the equivalent.


Any team that meets the asking price should receive a full 50% salary retention.


According to the Fourth Period, the 4 teams that are linked to him are the Lightning, the Bruins, the Oilers and the Kings.


In the case of the Lightning, they don't have a 2nd round pick until 2024.


So, what will need to happen if the Lightning want Nick Paul is for them to give us their 1st round pick and we would give them back a lower pick.


Now, I know what you're thinking ...


You're thinking that Nick Paul is not the same player as Barclay Goodrow and he's not worth a 1st round pick ...


And that Nick Paul is a pure rental while Goodrow had 1 more year left on his contract when he was traded.



Well, what is often overlooked is that Tampa also received a 3rd round pick in the trade for Goodrow.


And that the difference between the two picks in the Goodrow trade is a high 2nd.


I'm willing to compromise.


My compromise is that instead of the Lightning getting a 3rd round pick along with Nick Paul ...


the Lightning would get back the 2nd round pick they lost in the Coburn/Paquette trade.


Instead of the Lightning dropping 54 spots in the 2022 draft (like in the Goodrow trade) ...


the Lightning would only drop 32 spots.
2.
OTT
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
BOS
    Nick Paul


    50% salary retention


    https://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade-watch-list-2021-22
    3.
    OTT
    1. 2022 2nd round pick (LAK)
    LAK
      Nick Paul


      50% salary retention


      https://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade-watch-list-2021-22
      4.
      OTT
      1. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
      Additional Details:
      If ...


      1. The Oilers play in the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals ...

      AND

      2. Duncan Keith is in the top 4 among Oilers defensemen for TOI during the first 3 rounds ...


      Ottawa receives Edmonton's 2023 2nd round pick instead.
      EDM
        Nick Paul


        50% Salary retention


        https://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade-watch-list-2021-22
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        20$81,500,000$67,001,507$0$4,507,500$14,498,493
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $8,330,674$8,330,674
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $3,500,000$3,500,000
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $4,750,000$4,750,000
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
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        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
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        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $1,100,000$1,100,000
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        $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
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        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $997,500$997,500
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        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $900,000$900,000
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        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
        C
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $747,500$747,500 (Performance Bonus$107,500$108K)
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        RFA - 1
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $1,700,000$1,700,000
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        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $4,500,000$4,500,000
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $900,000$900,000
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        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $1,200,000$1,200,000
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        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
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        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$450,000$450K)
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $1,200,000$1,200,000
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        UFA - 1
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        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $8,000,000$8,000,000
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        UFA - 7
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $4,687,500$4,687,500
        G
        M-NTC
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $4,975,000$4,975,000
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        UFA - 6
        Logo of the Ottawa Senators
        $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
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        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
        #26
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        Quoting: CD282
        Whether he was worth $3M or not is immaterial - they simply couldn't afford him. It's that simple.


        If the Oilers couldn't afford him, they shouldn't have traded for him in the first place.

        It's that simple.
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        If the Oilers couldn't afford him, they shouldn't have traded for him in the first place.

        It's that simple.

        Um... I already explained that. When they made the trade they were expecting the cap to go up significantly, as Gary Bettman had announced it publicly. Then COVID hit, the league shut down and the cap remained flat. Different landscape entirely.
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: CD282
        Um... I already explained that. When they made the trade they were expecting the cap to go up significantly, as Gary Bettman had announced it publicly. Then COVID hit, the league shut down and the cap remained flat. Different landscape entirely.


        When was the last time Nick Paul was a -45 in one season?
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:29 p.m.
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        When was the last time Nick Paul was a -45 in one season?


        I don't put any weight into +/- without context.

        I look at GF% Rel. When traded, Athanasiou was -11.60. Paul is currently -7.95. Both are really bad.

        Here's the thing: one of these guys had scored 30 goals the season prior.
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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        Quoting: CD282
        I don't put any weight into +/- without context.

        I look at GF% Rel. When traded, Athanasiou was -11.60. Paul is currently -7.95. Both are really bad.

        Here's the thing: one of these guys had scored 30 goals the season prior.


        And then 1 goal in 13 games for the Oilers shakes head
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        And then 1 goal in 13 games for the Oilers shakes head


        What does that have to do with what Holland paid in the trade?
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 3:54 p.m.
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        What does that have to do with what Holland paid in the trade?


        Ken Holland spent Sam Gagner + 2 seconds on AA.

        But you wouldn't spend just 1 second on Nick Paul, even if Ottawa retained half his salary.



        You seem to care more about fleecing other teams on the trade market ...

        than about putting the pieces of a Stanley Cup winner together.



        I pity you tears of joy
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        Ken Holland spent Sam Gagner + 2 seconds on AA.

        But you wouldn't spend just 1 second on Nick Paul, even if Ottawa retained half his salary.



        You seem to care more about fleecing other teams on the trade market ...

        than about putting the pieces of a Stanley Cup winner together.



        I pity you tears of joy


        Proof that Paul is a piece necessary for winning a Cup? laugh
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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        Quoting: CD282
        Proof that Paul is a piece necessary for winning a Cup? laugh


        Proof that AA is a piece necessary for winning a playoff round? laugh
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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        Proof that AA is a piece necessary for winning a playoff round? laugh

        I never said he was, nor did I endorse that trade. I wasn't the guy who brought up AA.
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 5:50 p.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        Proof that AA is a piece necessary for winning a playoff round? laugh


        Quoting: CD282
        I never said he was, nor did I endorse that trade. I wasn't the guy who brought up AA.


        Two years ago
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.
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        Quoting: CD282
        I never said he was, nor did I endorse that trade. I wasn't the guy who brought up AA.


        Good for you.
        Mar. 18, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.
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        Quoting: CD282


        Once Kenny Holland loses his job as Oilers' GM, make sure to apply.

        I'm sure your resume is impeccable.
        Mar. 19, 2022 at 6:18 a.m.
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        Quoting: sensonfire
        Yes, they can.



        As long as 1 of the following scenarios never happen...


        1. The Oilers play in the 2022 Stanley Cup Finals


        2. Duncan Keith is in the top 4 among Oilers defensemen for TOI during the first 3 rounds.



        The devil is in the details nod


        But the main detail in that is the pic cannot be traded until after the playoffs and the conditions have been finalized.
        Mar. 19, 2022 at 7:48 a.m.
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        Quoting: Gregzky
        But the main detail in that is the pic cannot be traded until after the playoffs and the conditions have been finalized.


        The main detail is that the pick can be traded.

        As long as one trade doesn't violate the conditions on the same pick from another trade.

        That is why I wrote in a condition that doesn't violate the condition on the same pick from the Duncan Keith trade.

        The notion that NHL teams need to wait until after the playoffs or until the conditions have been finalized is complete rubbish.



        In February of 2020, Anaheim traded a conditional 7th round pick for 2022 to Edmonton.

        In October of 2020, Anaheim traded the same pick using a condition that didn't violate the trade with Edmonton 8 months prior.

        Did Anaheim wait until Joel Persson played 17 NHL games in the 2020-2021 season?

        Or until after the playoffs and the condition on the pick was finalized??

        Nope!!!



        My trade with Edmonton in this post is 100% legal and would be wholeheartedly accepted by the NHL Central Registry.

        You're just going to have to deal with it :/
        Mar. 19, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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        Edited Mar. 19, 2022 at 1:31 p.m.
        Quoting: Gofnut999
        Fair value, just don’t see a fit in Boston.


        "According to the Fourth Period, the 4 teams that are linked to him are the Lightning, the Bruins, the Oilers and the Kings."


        Unless this isn't true, you'd have to tell that to the Bruins management, not the OP


        Quoting: CD282
        I look at GF% Rel.


        This is meaningless as well. Players have different roles, usage, zone deployments, QoT, QoC, etc

        Quoting: CD282
        Really? You think he'll play ahead of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins?! Laughable


        Nick Paul is mostly a LWer... The only reason he played 45% of his shifts at center is because of injuries to Shane Pinto, Josh Norris and Colin White.

        https://leftwinglock.com/players/index.php?p1=NICK%20PAUL&flag=y

        NDoody shouldn't have said "3rd C"

        Quoting: CD282
        So he's actually a 4th line winger then? That's worse... if you think he'll get a sniff on the Oilers powerplay then you haven't been paying attention. And his 5v5 scoring rate is worse than Kyle Turris' this year. That's real "depth"!


        Nick Paul barely plays on the PP, the poster surely meant PK...

        Nick Paul is also not a "depth player/winger", he's a quality bottom-6 forward

        He'd be the 8th/9th best forward on the Oilers, the kind of player teams want to add for a DEEP playoffs run
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