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Flyers Passive Retool

Created by: johum7
Team: 2022-23 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 30, 2022
Published: Mar. 30, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
I don't even want to know what Chuck's aggressive retool looks like
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
1$925,000
3$925,000
3$850,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
1$1,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$1,500,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
1$900,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,000,000
4$5,000,000
3$2,500,000
2$900,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. 2023 7th round pick (VAN)
ARI
  1. Brodzinski, Bryce [Reserve List]
  2. McLaughlin, Owen [Reserve List]
  3. van Riemsdyk, James
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (NYR)
2.
PHI
  1. DeBrusk, Jake
  2. Forbort, Derek
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Atkinson, Cam ($1,875,000 retained)
  2. Hayes, Kevin ($3,142,857 retained)
3.
PHI
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (OTT)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
2023
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the BOS
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the EDM
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the VAN
2024
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the OTT
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$79,672,690$295,000$1,150,000$2,827,310
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$7,750,000$7,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 2
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,725,000$4,725,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,979,000$3,979,000
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$725,000$725K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,675,000$4,675,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$925,000$925,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,100,000$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$900,000$900,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1

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Mar. 30, 2022 at 2:24 p.m.
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Retaining on Hayes and Atkinson would be a huge mistake.
BUT, if they were to do it they'd have to get wayyyy more back from Boston
Mar. 30, 2022 at 2:55 p.m.
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Can't wait until they trade Strome to Boston in 3 seasons retaining half his contract.

These types of decisions are exactly why the Flyers remain stuck in Neutral.
Mar. 30, 2022 at 3:19 p.m.
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Retaining on Hayes and Atkinson would be a huge mistake.
BUT, if they were to do it they'd have to get wayyyy more back from Boston


…are you kidding?
Mar. 30, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Xertalz
Retaining on Hayes and Atkinson would be a huge mistake.
BUT, if they were to do it they'd have to get wayyyy more back from Boston


no they wouldn't. Hayes is a very good 3C, lower level 2C and Atkinson is a 2nd line winger. A 1st, a number 4/5 dman and a middle 6 winger that wants to be traded is a good return. you might squeak out a 3rd, but that'd be it
Mar. 30, 2022 at 3:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Dmh1055
Can't wait until they trade Strome to Boston in 3 seasons retaining half his contract.

These types of decisions are exactly why the Flyers remain stuck in Neutral.


I'd argue having the extra 8 million in cap space is more useful to the team than having Hayes and Atkinson take up roster spots from the younger guys coming up. It's not ideal, but paying a 3rd line center 7 million and a decent 2nd line winger nearly 6 million is a huge reason why this team is stuck in neutral
Mar. 30, 2022 at 4:18 p.m.
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I'd argue having the extra 8 million in cap space is more useful to the team than having Hayes and Atkinson take up roster spots from the younger guys coming up. It's not ideal, but paying a 3rd line center 7 million and a decent 2nd line winger nearly 6 million is a huge reason why this team is stuck in neutral


It could.... be more useful. Strome and Nichushkin are replacing Hayes and Atkinson in your scenario so they're now blocking the young players that are apparently not coming for their jobs. As you might be aware, the Flyers actually have no actual center in the system coming for Hayes' job. They currently do not even have a viable #2 NHL center. The Flyers are now in theory paying Strome essentially 9.142857 and they're Nichushkin $6.875 million. They also took in salary for Debrusk, who is subsequently traded for 2 seconds, Forbort an overpaid 3rd pair defenseman for the Flyers, and a 1st round pick. I see a lot of wasted cap space presently and in the future as Stome is essentially a reset button on the Hayes contract. Atkinson is a 30 goal 30 assist player. The Flyers are paying more for the right to lose him and have Nichushkin, why? Not to mention your pricing of JVR to be traded as a clean salary to Arizona with no retention is rather cheap. It'll cost the Flyers easily one of those 2nd round picks and that in and of itself pretty much negates the benefit of your trades. Making changes just to make changes is never a good idea.

You made a better 3rd D pair possibly but mostly just created a blocking path for Attard and York in my opinion and you also acquired more draft capital which is a good thing. The expense of that is a team that is effectively the same paying a lot more in salary cap space to maintain their current position.
Mar. 30, 2022 at 4:48 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 30, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
Quoting: Dmh1055
It could.... be more useful. Strome and Nichushkin are replacing Hayes and Atkinson in your scenario so they're now blocking the young players that are apparently not coming for their jobs. As you might be aware, the Flyers actually have no actual center in the system coming for Hayes' job. They currently do not even have a viable #2 NHL center. The Flyers are now in theory paying Strome essentially 9.142857 and they're Nichushkin $6.875 million. They also took in salary for Debrusk, who is subsequently traded for 2 seconds, Forbort an overpaid 3rd pair defenseman for the Flyers, and a 1st round pick. I see a lot of wasted cap space presently and in the future as Stome is essentially a reset button on the Hayes contract. Atkinson is a 30 goal 30 assist player. The Flyers are paying more for the right to lose him and have Nichushkin, why? Not to mention your pricing of JVR to be traded as a clean salary to Arizona with no retention is rather cheap. It'll cost the Flyers easily one of those 2nd round picks and that in and of itself pretty much negates the benefit of your trades. Making changes just to make changes is never a good idea.

You made a better 3rd D pair possibly but mostly just created a blocking path for Attard and York in my opinion and you also acquired more draft capital which is a good thing. The expense of that is a team that is effectively the same paying a lot more in salary cap space to maintain their current position.


I don't exactly see it as paying Strome 9 million and Nichushkin nearly 7, moreso keeping salary so you can go out and get those guys, but to each their own.

Forbort is more cap related on Boston's side than anything, I'd much rather Clifton but it makes more sense for the B's to part ways with Forbort in this scenario. Either way, Forbort is still a very good defensively, and might be overpaid by a few hundred thousand, but not an egregious amount

I don't think Strome is a reset on the Hayes contract, but I see why you do. Strome, at the very least, has a track record of being able to produce at a 2nd line level (something Hayes never had), and is at just as good as Hayes everywhere else, if not better. Atkinson is still a good asset, I just don't value him as an offensive creator whatsoever (which the current team severely lacks and Strome/Nichushkin help with that). Most of his assists seem to come off rebounds, very simple primary ones, or secondary. Nichushkin is a bit more dynamic on-ice and malleable throughout the lineup than Atkinson

York is on the 2nd pair, he is not getting blocked. Attard I get, I'm not that high on him but that is fair. One of Provorov or Ellis could be moved, or Sanheim in FA/deadline, making way for him and Zamula

This is a much better defensive team, and one that has much more depth up front (both in terms of talent and actual man power), so the team (theoretically) should perform better. The Metro is stupid strong, playoffs aren't likely regardless of what happens, but this imo sets the team up somewhat well for 23-24

Also: trading Hayes and Atkinson helps change the locker room, even though neither have been with the Flyers all that long. It would allow the younger guys to take charge behind the scenes with Couturier as the leader, which is a big part of the trade for me
Mar. 30, 2022 at 8:11 p.m.
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…are you kidding?


If you're retaining that much on long-term contracts you have to get more back. Not saying Boston would do it. Just saying Philly would need more.
 
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