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Dealing Meier and Reimer and admitting were rebuilding

Created by: Rob32sjsharks
Team: 2022-23 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 28, 2022
Published: Mar. 30, 2022
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Simek is a cap dump and to entice ARZ to take him we add Balcers and a 3rd for our 4th we gave them for Pederson. both Simek and Balcers would be solid depth players for ARZ plus they would help fill holes as I expect not to many high profile FA will want to go there to play in front of 4-5k fans each night, plus they will have quite a few holes to fill as I expect Chychrun and a few other higher end players to be dealt for picks and prospects in the off-season.

Meier is not on the trading block, but NJD is close to playoff caliber team with solid prospect depth and a few high end players already in the NHL, but they could use another top line star player and to get a young 30-40 goal potential power forward they pay a lot to entice sharks to deal him.
this would set up NJD well offensively along with the solid defensive pieces they have. if the netminder's can rebound next season this will for sure be a team in the mix for a playoff spot now.

Reimer deal only happens if TOR can’t resign Campbell and get desperate for a cheap 1A/1B guy, and we all know Reimer and Mrazek have played well together in the past. Plus with Mrazek’s rough season I doubt there are many takers on his deal without multiple futures coming with him, better to give him another chance next year.

With these deals its hard to hide the fact we are rebuilding now.
But that said this wouldn’t be a long term rebuild when you consider in the 22 draft we would now have the 6/7 pick and the 9/10 pick, with those we would go RD & C with Jirecek and Lambert if we could, both project around those picks so it’s not a crazy goal. Then in 23 with a depleted team and a few injuries It wouldn’t be out of the realm of posibilite to expect the sharks at 2/3 OA and our other pick from TOR at 26/29, with those we could grab Fantilli C and Zimmer RW.

With those 4 guys plus what we already have in the depth chart now and our 25 and under group (as of 23/24 start to the season) is looking really deep and diverse.

Tier 1 (potential Elite player)
Fantilli, Eklund
Tier 2 (potential top 6 F top 4 D starter goalie, possible all-star)
Lambert, Zimmer, Bordeleau, Gushin, Coe, Robins, Jiricek, Merkley, Gaudreau, Ferraro
Tier 3 (potential middle 6 F, 2/3 pairing D, 1b/ backup Goalie)
Weisblatt, Cardwell, Laroque, Kinazev, Reedy
Tier 4 (depth player)
Kashnikov, Hatakka, Raska, Guryev, Gregor Leonard
Tier 5 (AHL/NHL tweener)
Cardwell, Chrona, Jacobsson, McCue, Chmevelski, Blichfeld
Tier 6 (AHL ceiling)
Everyone else lol
And this doesn’t take into account the other 14 picks (2-7 round) in the next two drafts.
that's 29 prospects/ young NHLers who have legit chance to play at NHL Level.
of those 29 I would assume about 12 actually reach their potential with 5-6 wont reach their potential but still be quality NHLers and 11-12 will fall off and end up as AHL tweeners.

Add those 17/18 young prospects/ players to the quality core vets in Hertl, Couture, Barabanov, Dahlen, Karlsson, Burns, Knyzhov, Kahkonen and or Hill (whichever one we keep)
If we can make a few smart trades and find a few quality pickups in FA and stay away from risky moves and we And you have the building blocks for a rapid rebuild into a cup contending team. I expect if they follow this plan we could be in the playoffs by 24/25 and be considered a cup contender by 25/26.
Free Agent Signings
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3$885,000
2$825,000
3$825,000
3$825,000
3$825,000
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1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
3$2,350,000
4$3,750,000
2$2,450,000
2$1,150,000
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1$885,000
4$3,350,000
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Lambert, Brad
3$925,000
Jiricek, David
3$925,000
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1.
SJS
  1. 2024 4th round pick (SJS)
ARI
  1. Balcers, Rūdolfs
  2. Simek, Radim
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (SJS)
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SJS
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2022 1st round pick (NJD)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
  4. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
3.
SJS
  1. 2023 1st round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Reimer, James ($1,000,000 retained)
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
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2022
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2023
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C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$3,350,000$3,350,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
LW, RW
UFA
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$1,025,000$1,025,000
C, LW
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UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$5,280,000$5,280,000
RD
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UFA - 3
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
G
UFA - 2
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,175,000$2,175,000
G
UFA - 1
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UFA - 4
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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C
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$885,000$885,000
LD
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:00 p.m.
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Yea, goaltending for SURE our biggest issue. Looking at the numbers, we are in the middle of the pack now with one of the youngest offensive cores in the league, so they will get better with age as everyone can see Hughes is jumping by leaps and bounds. The defense has had holes, I I see a lot of promise there as Siegenthaler has been outstanding, and Hamilton did get banged up with his broken jaw.

The thing about goaltending is, I don't see any sure bet good goalies that are likely moving teams.

But as far as would I rather Meier or one of those top RHD...I'll take the RHD in the system and have a core of Bratt-Hughes-Hischer-Holtz-Mercer up top, with Luke Hughes-2022 RHD, and then whatever we can figure out in goaltending. Spending another $8m on Meier just doesn't seem to make sense when you'll have invested so much in Hughes, Hischier, and soon to be Bratt. Spread it out otherwise you become top heavy.

TOR won’t be able to affor Campbell and Husso from st. louis will for sure be available. Georgiev is a project but rangers will be open to moving him and sharks would add Hill to the deal above for another 3rd

and i can see your reasoning here in regards to being too heavy, it’s why i considered dealing Meier. if we add a top 3 in 23 plus the 10/11 this year and Eklund and we have a bunch of players who will need bigger contracts in 2-4 years
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Reimer 50% retained and a high 3rd for a low 1st isn’t a crazy deal, you moving back about 40 spots for a quality starter/ 1b guy costing you barely more than league min. that’s more than fair.

Remier has truly been exceptional this year. If you take out the handful of games the Sharks sluggishly played after the break where Reimer was also injured, he has a .956 save% this year. Average NHL fan won't get this.
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.
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Remier has truly been exceptional this year. If you take out the handful of games the Sharks sluggishly played after the break where Reimer was also injured, he has a .956 save% this year. Average NHL fan won't get this.


agreed, but to their defense Fleury was the top goalie last year and traded for almost nothin so Insee where they are coming from.
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:05 p.m.
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TOR won’t be able to affor Campbell and Husso from st. louis will for sure be available. Georgiev is a project but rangers will be open to moving him and sharks would add Hill to the deal above for another 3rd


I like Campbell as a person, I don't know what's going on mentally this year. Husso can be a flash in the pan, he's done this for one season, so I don't want him to be the next Drieger and lock him down long term based on one season. Georgiev has not been great this year, and Hill is still a .906 goalie. None of that is Earth shattering. Gillies was BRUTAL to a level I've never seen, Daws has been decent.

If the Devils push in on Campbell, I can see him being a good lockerroom guy and all that, but I'm still skeptical. I'd almost rather overpay him for 3years than market value for 5.
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:10 p.m.
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I like Campbell as a person, I don't know what's going on mentally this year. Husso can be a flash in the pan, he's done this for one season, so I don't want him to be the next Drieger and lock him down long term based on one season. Georgiev has not been great this year, and Hill is still a .906 goalie. None of that is Earth shattering. Gillies was BRUTAL to a level I've never seen, Daws has been decent.

If the Devils push in on Campbell, I can see him being a good lockerroom guy and all that, but I'm still skeptical. I'd almost rather overpay him for 3years than market value for 5.


Husso i would go 2 years 3.8 but shy away from 3+ Campbell i agree i like him but i don’t know if he is a quality starter or just a solid 1B, and sharks are bad defensively so hill at 2.67 and 906 could easily be 2.54 and 911 on a better defensive team. still not amazing but far better than anything you guys have gotten this year
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:24 p.m.
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Devils who have cap space aren't giving up a first and more for Meier. Leafs don't need Reimer that bad. Now if Mrzarek was included in the trade, the Leafs might do it.
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:25 p.m.
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Quoting: CheechYou
Remier has truly been exceptional this year. If you take out the handful of games the Sharks sluggishly played after the break where Reimer was also injured, he has a .956 save% this year. Average NHL fan won't get this.


Goalies just dont really go for first round pick, even if reimer is having a good year.
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:28 p.m.
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Goalies just dont really go for first round pick, even if reimer is having a good year.


why does everyone overlook the 3rd i added. plus he is 50% retained making him only cost 1 mil for a starter who has played exceptionally well this year.
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:29 p.m.
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Devils who have cap space aren't giving up a first and more for Meier. Leafs don't need Reimer that bad. Now if Mrzarek was included in the trade, the Leafs might do it.

that would be an easy no from the sharks, Reimer has been one of the best goalies in the nhl this season (save for a 5 game stretch where he player injured)
add a high 3rd and Toronto gets a starter who makes 1 mil for moving down 40 spots in the draft
and what is your idea of the value for a 25 year old 30+ goal scoring power forward who is over a ppg?
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:39 p.m.
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why does everyone overlook the 3rd i added. plus he is 50% retained making him only cost 1 mil for a starter who has played exceptionally well this year.


because adding a 3rd round pick doesnt matter nor retaining. thats the simple answer. teams can look elsewhere during offseason for goaltender, so the sharks do not have leverage on trade. Most teams have better idea on how to spend their first rounder if they are shopping. and that is even more true before the season starts, you dont know how you will end up in the standing.
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
that would be an easy no from the sharks, Reimer has been one of the best goalies in the nhl this season (save for a 5 game stretch where he player injured)
add a high 3rd and Toronto gets a starter who makes 1 mil for moving down 40 spots in the draft
and what is your idea of the value for a 25 year old 30+ goal scoring power forward who is over a ppg?


I think the Devils would be much better position to sign Gaudreau or trade for cap strapped Minni for Fiala than give up so much for Meirer who might be a UFA soon.
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Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:44 p.m.
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because adding a 3rd round pick doesnt matter nor retaining. thats the simple answer. teams can look elsewhere during offseason for goaltender, so the sharks do not have leverage on trade. Most teams have better idea on how to spend their first rounder if they are shopping. and that is even more true before the season starts, you dont know how you will end up in the standing.


name 1 legit starter they can get for 1 mil.
and 3 absolutely does matter as does the cap hit for a team up against the cap with cup aspirations. your comment is absurd. and i did say they do this if they lose campbell
Mar. 30, 2022 at 11:58 p.m.
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name 1 legit starter they can get for 1 mil.
and 3 absolutely does matter as does the cap hit for a team up against the cap with cup aspirations. your comment is absurd. and i did say they do this if they lose campbell


for a first and retained? stolarz, swayman, vladar, raanta, francouz, talbot, allen, georgiev, thats on the top of my head, would all cost around 1 mil. most as good as reimer been. and thats without all the ufa and rfa
Mar. 31, 2022 at 9:50 a.m.
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Y’all seem very low on a guy worth $6 mil and over a point per game. I wouldn’t even consider this deal to be close at all.

The whole devils block your number is absolutely wack. A 1st, 3rd and a 3rd liner for Meier is wack too.


That 1st is the 8th overall pick no chance a rebuilding team like the devils trades it
Mar. 31, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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That 1st is the 8th overall pick no chance a rebuilding team like the devils trades it


For being the only quality piece for a more than point per game 25 yo? That’s a steal
Mar. 31, 2022 at 1:48 p.m.
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For being the only quality piece for a more than point per game 25 yo? That’s a steal


He’s great yes but would that make them an instant contender especially in a stacked eastern conference?: No no it wouldn’t
Mar. 31, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.
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He’s great yes but would that make them an instant contender especially in a stacked eastern conference?: No no it wouldn’t


What does that matter to the sharks? So because that’s the case for the devils the sharks should take a lesser low ball offer? I couldn’t care less where the devils are in the standings, you have to pay high quality assets for high quality players no matter where you are in the standings
Apr. 1, 2022 at 9:00 a.m.
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This is stupidity, Meier is 25 years old. He’s the type of player you want to keep around for a rebuild. Sharks will buy out Vlasic soon, Trade Labanc and Reimer . That alone will solve cap issues they can sign Timo to same contract Hertl has and add a 3rd/4th line Center + Bottom Shutdown D man who isn’t a minus- like everyone else.
Apr. 1, 2022 at 11:11 a.m.
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This is stupidity, Meier is 25 years old. He’s the type of player you want to keep around for a rebuild. Sharks will buy out Vlasic soon, Trade Labanc and Reimer . That alone will solve cap issues they can sign Timo to same contract Hertl has and add a 3rd/4th line Center + Bottom Shutdown D man who isn’t a minus- like everyone else.


Hertl will be closer to 8.5-9 mil i he replicates this offensive production next year.
Labanc has negative value and wont be dealt without us taking back a bad contract or adding sweeteners to his deal, most likely scenario he is on the team next year and we pray for a rebound.
Vlasic wont be bought out til 23 off season as his buyout is counterproductive this off season. i would bank on Hill not Reimer being dealt. Kahkonen is the better goalie so he stays and Reimer is a perfect mentor/ 1B for us for next year. I want to keep Meier but we need more depth and we need to build a better younger core. and he is by far the best asset to move value wise for us to get a plus return and set us up better for 2-3 years from now.
 
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