Pretty interesting ideas here

No from NYI. We're not moving Nelson.

Nelson is having a career year, and you think the isles are moving on from him? You goofy

I agree but honestly its not an unfair offer. Nelson is having a career year and I doubt he does this again. Maybe he does but I wouldn’t count on it. I dont think we should do this but its not some absurd offer. If we also got a 1st instead of the 3rd id like it

yeah this is definitely a fair trade. Selling high on Nelson isn't the worst idea.

W PFP

To fill a need and get 7 years younger asset to boot? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Nelson is not getting any better but Girard very likely is.

Granted he's having a great year but otherwise no one would make such an offer for them.

I understand that Girard is younger but there is no reason to give up a 30+ goal scorer, a second round pick, and an extra forward, for a defenseman who the isles don't really really need, and girards not having his best year. I think that this is a horrible trade. The isles are not even thinking about trading brock. And brock is basically a first line center. So the avs should be giving up a lot more if you even want to start talking about trading brock.

Nelson to the Avs isn't a half-bad idea from our point of view, he's a good veteran presence and a great 2C. I also like Petterson coming in as well, but I have reservations about paying our bottom pair $10M. Might have to buy out Johnson via trade (Arizona) and re-sign him on a cheap contract

It'd be better if COL was giving us the better pick. But it's not totally unfair.

It's only for one year. I wanted to keep Johnson around to make sure they get ample cap space to re-sign MacKinnon in 2023. Johnson's contract provides this money pretty much in it's entirety.

I think it would be:
NYI receieve the COL 1st
COL receives back their 2nd from NYI. so NYI would get the better pick

I'd argue Isles really needs a puckmoving D-man. That 2nd pair has screamed for it after the loss of Toews and Leddy.

They have lots of center depth with Räty in the pipelines but their defense depth, especially left side is very weak.

COL doesn't have a 1st in 2022 though

im stupid and forgot. then probably their 2023 1st for NYI 2023 2nd… which I think we have?

So Girard+2023 1st for Nelson+2023 2nd.

Hmm. I personally think NYI has to add. Nelson is the better player for now but we must remember that Nelson is turning 31 and he has 3 years left compared to Girard who's turning 24 with 5 years left. There's an immense difference between these guys.

I could maybe see scratching the picks work, but I can't really see Avs adding to the pile. The future advantage going Isles way is that massive

I know, it's just that I would prefer to buy out Johnson via another team in the off-season and re-sign him to a 1-year deal (cheaper) so that we can afford to bring back most of our UFAs (also maybe sign Statsny on a 1-year deal, I'd love to get him back)

Nelson is shooting over 20% this year. That won't continue, and the Avs FO is too smart to pay as though it will.

If Brock were making $4M per year, then this idea might make more sense. At $6M it's a no go (imo).

Im just saying the isles wouldn't trade their 30 goal scorer for a young d man who had an iffy season

I don't think the isles need a puck mover, they just need an NHL caliber defenseman on the 2nd pair. Besides the Avs , I don't there's another team in the NHL that has a better trio than Pelech, Pulock, and Dobson. Both Pulock and Dobson are great puck movers, Pelech is above average as well. It's just the fact that they decided to fill their 2 + 3LD spots with 40 YO who can't move

But heres the thing. Even going based just on what he did prior to this season, he was a good 2 way 2C worth 25 goals a season.
Girard has been having another bad season and would be terrible in the trotz system. Plus bowers looks like a bust and we are giving the better pick. Now add the fact that recency bias is a real thing. To get nelson this offseason would cost quite the package

Question - would you be more willing to do it if we replace Nelson with Pageau+Räty?

Agreed with you here. It doesn’t seem like Sakic to sell low on Girard and buy high on Nelson.

Especially now that the Avs have traded away their defensive prospect pipeline, I don’t think moving Girard makes sense. If they do decide to move Girard, the Islanders make sense as a trade partner.

To the comments talking about swapping picks: I can’t see the Avs making a 1st for 2nd pick swap here either. If the value were off, it makes more sense to swap Bowers for a better prospect.

Do they even have better prospects to offer, all things considered.

That pool has run it's course

Bowers sucks, so yeah.