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Elliotte Friedman said Soucy wasn’t available at the deadline. My bet is Seattle will resign him or flip him at the deadline for a first round pick. I wouldn’t trade Beauvillier Bellows and a 1st for Fiala. I like Beauvillier’s fit with Nelson and Lee as a puck handler and don’t view Palmieri as the right fit for that first line. Also even though Fiala is obviously better than Beauvillier, that seems like a steep asking price considering you are weakening at least one line by moving Bellows and Beauvillier.

Josh Bailey is worth more than a 3rd. If they can’t get fair value I think you are better off keeping him. I get that some fans really hate his game. I get that his metrics are down this year. But he’s been much better in the second half of the year. I think it’s more of a defense/Covid issue with this team

I honestly think the Isles forward core is fine so long as you make a significant upgrade on defense. Like do you wish they had younger and cheaper wings? Obviously. But the only way you can fix that is by drafting well.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 4:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Elliotte Friedman said Soucy wasn’t available at the deadline. My bet is Seattle will resign him or flip him at the deadline for a first round pick. I wouldn’t trade Beauvillier Bellow and a 1st for Fiala. I like Beauvillier’s fit with Nelson and Lee as a puck handler and don’t view Palmieri as the right fit for that first line. Also even though Fiala is obviously better than Beauvillier, that seems like a steep asking price considering you are weakening at least one line by moving Bellows and Beauvillier.

Also Bailey is worth more than a 3rd. If they can’t get fair value I think you are better off keeping him. I get that some fans really hate his game. I get that his metrics are down this year. But he’s been much better in the second half of the year.

I honestly think, the Isles forward core is fine so long as you make a significant upgrade on defense. Like do you wish they had younger and cheaper wings? Obviously. But the only way you can fix that is by drafting well.

i agree with what you are saying but bailey is getting paid too much, yes i would love to keep him but we need room to sign cheaper more effective players. but we do need a better forward to help boost our offense and to put by barzy because barzy needs someone who can fit his skill set and i think fiala is the right option for that. ya our forward group is Fine but it can be better.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 4:58 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Josh Bailey's metrics have been bad for 3 years now, the problem is this year he's one of the worst even strength forwards in the NHL. That 3rd line is on a PDO bender right now and Bailey's metrics aren't much better than earlier in the season. Im not a Bailey hater but there is no chance this team can contend with a 33 YO Bailey in the top 9 next season.

The isles forward core needs some addition by subtraction. Getting rid of Bailey and Martin and replacing them with younger + faster forwards is all this team needs. They don't need a significant upgrade on defense either, Dobson/Pulock/Pelech is a top 3 D trio in the NHL, the issue is Lou and Trotz decided to fill the 2 + 3LD spots with two 40 YO D.

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Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.

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Massive overpay for Fiala in my opinion.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.

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Minny is moving Fiala for cap reasons, I don’t see them taking any cap back in a trade for his rights

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.

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Quoting: AntreDiAnaheim

Massive overpay for Fiala in my opinion.

thanks for the feedback, I wasn't really sure what to pay him, I thought I was gonna get a bunch of angry Minnesota fans if I underpaid him

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Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:07 p.m.

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Quoting: zackvillani

thanks for the feedback, I wasn't really sure what to pay him, I thought I was gonna get a bunch of angry Minnesota fans if I underpaid him

He’s good but I think Beau + Walhstrom is an overpay itself yet alone adding the 1st too which is likely top 15.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:22 p.m.

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I agree I just don’t see a move happening because of the cap hit

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Db1899

I don’t see a Bailey trade happening for the reasons you just stated. I think Bailey is fine as a 3rd liner but I don’t see a deal happening unless it’s the last year of his deal.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I agree I just don’t see a move happening because of the cap hit

a 5 mil player should be producing more and me more athletic than a 2 mil player. but thats not the instance for josh bailey, its an over pay and hes too old.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:26 p.m.

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Quoting: zackvillani

a 5 mil player should be producing more and me more athletic than a 2 mil player. but thats not the instance for josh bailey, its an over pay and hes too old.

I agree but I don’t see them moving him at this point.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:29 p.m.

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a 5 mil player should be producing more and me more athletic than a 2 mil player. but thats not the instance for josh bailey, its an over pay and hes too old.

You think they could move Bellows for someone like Logan Stanley or worst case scenario Haydn Fleury? Because if you could get one of those two and bring up Salo next year I think you could fix their defensive issues and stay under the cap.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.

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Quoting: zackvillani

a 5 mil player should be producing more and me more athletic than a 2 mil player. but thats not the instance for josh bailey, its an over pay and hes too old.

Like I’m trying to make an armchair GM team but I don’t want to get ripped to shreds over a trade for someone like Logan Stanley. Even someone like Lauzon would be fine imo.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Like I’m trying to make an armchair GM team but I don’t want to get ripped to shreds over a trade for someone like Logan Stanley. Even someone like Lauzon would be fine imo.

Idk on bellows trade value

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:34 p.m.

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Quoting: zackvillani

Idk on bellows trade value

Honestly I’m trying to find a jets fan rn lol

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I don’t see a Bailey trade happening for the reasons you just stated. I think Bailey is fine as a 3rd liner but I don’t see a deal happening unless it’s the last year of his deal.

He's not fine as a 3rd liner, he's what you'd call a line killer. That's what he is at this point in his career. There are two somewhat realistic scenarios that could play out - a GM gets blinded by his decent point totals and is willing to give up a late rd pick or the isles can buy him out.

There is nothing the isles can do to become contenders if Bailey is in the top 9. Aging curves are real and Bailey isn't going to improve at 33 YO, then when you factor in regression for guys like Lee+ Nelson, it isn't good.

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Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.

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Quoting: Db1899

I get what your saying but if he is as bad as you say then why would anyone trade for him? In my mind there is a bell curve for when you should move a bad contract. Bailey is at the point in his career where if he doesn’t have any trade value you are better off living with him.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

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He has experience and has been good. He has 30 points and more than 20 of them are assists. His decision making is terrible. Only isles fans know how no great he is

Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

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Josh Bailey is not good.

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Apr. 4, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

The Flyers GM gave a 5.1 x 5 contract to Risto who is arguably the worst defenseman in the NHL, Vancouver gave 6 mill x 5 to Tyler Myers. There are plenty of GM's who constantly make bad decisions. Keeping Bailey significantly hurts the isles chances of making the playoffs, last resort buying him out has to be an option,. Isles can't go into next season with Bailey on the team.

If Lou can trade one of the best defenseman in the league a few days after his wedding, he should be able to get rid of Bailey.

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Apr. 4, 2022 at 6:05 p.m.

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if the Wild could get Fiala @ 6.5mil, they'd keep him.....his value based on play has soared to near 7.5mil now, and the Wild wont go that high im guessing....Ottawa has better trade assets that the Isles anyway, he would be traded there first im guessing

Apr. 4, 2022 at 6:20 p.m.

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Quoting: Db1899

Yes but trading Toews was a terrible idea lol. And Toews is good. You can’t have it both ways imo. Either you want to offload Bailey to a sucker or he is untradeable.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 6:22 p.m.

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Quoting: Db1899

I like to operate under two assumptions. First the Islanders won’t add a superstar in the off season. Secondly even if I clear that cap space on Bailey will I be able to spend it on someone I like anyway? It may be easier to trade Bellows for a d man and start the regular season with Bailey.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 6:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I agree with your first assumption. It would be very hard to replace Bailey with a worse player. He cannot be in your teams top 9 if you have playoff aspirations. He is cooked.

Apr. 4, 2022 at 6:44 p.m.

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