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Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 5, 2022
Published: Apr. 5, 2022
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  1. Murray, Matt
  2. White, Colin
  3. 2022 1st round pick (OTT)
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23$82,500,000$77,168,214$0$3,100,000$5,331,786

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Apr. 5, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.
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oh man thats way off for chicago, the picks may account for taking on white and murray but theres basically nothing for debrincat
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Apr. 5, 2022 at 4:28 p.m.
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Hawks easily decline, not enough for DeBrincat, and we're not taking on Murray's contract unless we get some serious stuff back. Think of Andrew Ladd, and add more for both more cap hit and more term.
Apr. 5, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
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Even if the first is 1OA it's not close. Hawks decline. Matt Murray cap dump would cost more than a first.
This offer is a joke right?
Apr. 5, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
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Chicago rejects, The Cat isn't going anywhere, and the price for him is going to be to rich for Ottawa
Apr. 5, 2022 at 7:06 p.m.
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CHI Counters with:

Chicago Blackhawks
Sanderson

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Tyler Johnson
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22' MIN 2nd
23' TBL 2nd


The point being the values are way off.
Apr. 6, 2022 at 12:30 p.m.
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The only way it happens is IF :

- Chicago wouldn't want DeBrincat to be in their long-term core (not sure why they wouldn't want)
- Chicago decided to go into a full rebuild, taking only futures for players
- Ottawa has a top-5 pick and at the moment it's Ottawa's turn to pick, Chicago's GUY is still available, someone they are really high on.

White and two 2nds are not "supreme value" added but that top-5 pick is obviously the HUGE piece.

Murray is most likely LTIRed though and until we know, no one is going to trade for him, not knowing if he can still play or not.

In a vaccum and without the appropriate context, Chicago has no reason to do that

Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
CHI Counters with:

Chicago Blackhawks
Sanderson

Ottawa Senators
Tyler Johnson
Kubalik
22' MIN 2nd
23' TBL 2nd


The point being the values are way off.


That's a stupid comparison... Where's the top-5 pick lol
Apr. 6, 2022 at 12:37 p.m.
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Hawks easily decline, not enough for DeBrincat, and we're not taking on Murray's contract unless we get some serious stuff back. Think of Andrew Ladd, and add more for both more cap hit and more term.


Uh... $750,000 more in cap hit and the term is the exact same Ladd had : 2 years left

By the way, it was 2 very late 2nd round picks value for Ladd's dump. not sure if that qualifies as "serious stuff back" but Sens would be stupid to give better pieces than that (or anything) as they can easily afford (salary cap speaking) to have him on LTIR, buried in the AHL or even bought out

Also, Murray is still a good goalie, 0.914 SV% in 25 games since April 2021 despite playing behind a terrible defense most nights. His problem is by far health, can't stay healthy so he might just won't get cleared for contact anymore (concussion issues) and end up on LTIR

People really have to STOP trading Matt Murray until we are informed about his future.
Apr. 6, 2022 at 2:55 p.m.
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Uh... $750,000 more in cap hit and the term is the exact same Ladd had : 2 years left

By the way, it was 2 very late 2nd round picks value for Ladd's dump. not sure if that qualifies as "serious stuff back" but Sens would be stupid to give better pieces than that (or anything) as they can easily afford (salary cap speaking) to have him on LTIR, buried in the AHL or even bought out

Also, Murray is still a good goalie, 0.914 SV% in 25 games since April 2021 despite playing behind a terrible defense most nights. His problem is by far health, can't stay healthy so he might just won't get cleared for contact anymore (concussion issues) and end up on LTIR

People really have to STOP trading Matt Murray until we are informed about his future.


Cap hit is cap hit, that's a league minimum contract you're adding in terms of AAV, and a couple of seconds is quite a bit, especially in terms of cap dumping (probably should've mentioned that it was in context of cap dumping, not overall value, but I digresss). Also, I do actually agree that the Senators shouldn't dump him, you're not going to contend for a bit.
Apr. 6, 2022 at 3:13 p.m.
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Uh... $750,000 more in cap hit and the term is the exact same Ladd had : 2 years left

By the way, it was 2 very late 2nd round picks value for Ladd's dump. not sure if that qualifies as "serious stuff back" but Sens would be stupid to give better pieces than that (or anything) as they can easily afford (salary cap speaking) to have him on LTIR, buried in the AHL or even bought out

Also, Murray is still a good goalie, 0.914 SV% in 25 games since April 2021 despite playing behind a terrible defense most nights. His problem is by far health, can't stay healthy so he might just won't get cleared for contact anymore (concussion issues) and end up on LTIR

People really have to STOP trading Matt Murray until we are informed about his future.


Also, I find it somewhat funny that you chose to use April (the month which seems to be a massive fluke in his stats) as a starting point.
Apr. 6, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.
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Cap hit is cap hit, that's a league minimum contract you're adding in terms of AAV, and a couple of seconds is quite a bit, especially in terms of cap dumping (probably should've mentioned that it was in context of cap dumping, not overall value, but I digresss). Also, I do actually agree that the Senators shouldn't dump him, you're not going to contend for a bit.


Yes $750,000 is a certain amount but it won't make a HUGE difference in the value of the cap dump. Also, as it was stated, one of the 2nd round picks was the 60th OA pick in 2021 and the other one was either from NYI (made the ECF in back-to-back seasons) and Colorado (seen as a TOP contender)

Regardless if YOU think the Senators will contend or not, they don't NEED to pay for someone to take him because :

- very high chance he's not cleared to play in a contact league anymore (by real doctors under the Hippocratic Oath) : LTIR

- he has only 2 years left, the Senators cap situation allows them to buy out this contract or just pay him (even if he keeps going from the ice to the IR regularly)

Matt Murray wasn't great in his first 10 games with Ottawa (although the defense was a total mess, not even close to NHL level) but hasn't been a problem at all since. He mostly been quite solid.

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Also, I find it somewhat funny that you chose to use April (the month which seems to be a massive fluke in his stats) as a starting point.


lol there's no conspiracy

When they say Matthews has scored 47 goals in his last 48 games, they don't start compiling when he's not scoring.

April is when Murray turned his (really short) season around last season :

- He was coming back from an injury that kept him away for a while
- Sens had a new goalie coach, Murray was also in the process of making substantial technical changes to his game
- Sens also turned their season around mid March and finally were able to defend at a NHL NHL. They barely could for the first 2 months of the season

He has been excellent all 2021-22 season, just had some games were he was exposed as the "team defense" is still a work in progress. Every goalie who has played for this team in the last 5 seasons could testify.

The only goalie who was able to survive this has been Anton Forsberg who totally "broke out" this season and earned him a 3 years contract.
Apr. 6, 2022 at 6:21 p.m.
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The only way it happens is IF :

- Chicago wouldn't want DeBrincat to be in their long-term core (not sure why they wouldn't want)
- Chicago decided to go into a full rebuild, taking only futures for players
- Ottawa has a top-5 pick and at the moment it's Ottawa's turn to pick, Chicago's GUY is still available, someone they are really high on.

White and two 2nds are not "supreme value" added but that top-5 pick is obviously the HUGE piece.

Murray is most likely LTIRed though and until we know, no one is going to trade for him, not knowing if he can still play or not.

In a vaccum and without the appropriate context, Chicago has no reason to do that



That's a stupid comparison... Where's the top-5 pick lol


Yes it is a silly trade but Cat > Sanderson all day long. Who knows how Sanderson will be in the NHL. I am a huge fan and think he will be good but until he gets here its all prospective that is why there is no top 5 pick in a draft class many have mentioned is not a deep one.

I think you got the point however based on your above comments because those IF's are huge IF's and very unlikely as I'm sure your aware.
Apr. 7, 2022 at 1:41 a.m.
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Yes $750,000 is a certain amount but it won't make a HUGE difference in the value of the cap dump. Also, as it was stated, one of the 2nd round picks was the 60th OA pick in 2021 and the other one was either from NYI (made the ECF in back-to-back seasons) and Colorado (seen as a TOP contender)

Regardless if YOU think the Senators will contend or not, they don't NEED to pay for someone to take him because :

- very high chance he's not cleared to play in a contact league anymore (by real doctors under the Hippocratic Oath) : LTIR

- he has only 2 years left, the Senators cap situation allows them to buy out this contract or just pay him (even if he keeps going from the ice to the IR regularly)

Matt Murray wasn't great in his first 10 games with Ottawa (although the defense was a total mess, not even close to NHL level) but hasn't been a problem at all since. He mostly been quite solid.



lol there's no conspiracy

When they say Matthews has scored 47 goals in his last 48 games, they don't start compiling when he's not scoring.

April is when Murray turned his (really short) season around last season :

- He was coming back from an injury that kept him away for a while
- Sens had a new goalie coach, Murray was also in the process of making substantial technical changes to his game
- Sens also turned their season around mid March and finally were able to defend at a NHL NHL. They barely could for the first 2 months of the season

He has been excellent all 2021-22 season, just had some games were he was exposed as the "team defense" is still a work in progress. Every goalie who has played for this team in the last 5 seasons could testify.

The only goalie who was able to survive this has been Anton Forsberg who totally "broke out" this season and earned him a 3 years contract.


Yeah, I'm not reading that wall of text, this ain't school. Please make it more succinct.
Apr. 7, 2022 at 1:18 p.m.
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Yeah, I'm not reading that wall of text, this ain't school. Please make it more succinct.


lol it's a 2-3 minutes read depending on your brain processor speed (this one 1 minute)

- $750,000 don't make a HUGE difference in dump's value
- picks were both late and expected late picks
- very good chance Murray ends up on LTIR
- Sens will still have a lot of cap space
- Murray has 2 years left, Sens don't NEED to PAY to dump him
- He's been good after his first 10 GP with Ottawa

2nd part was already point form, I guess the important part on why I took April :

- coming back from injury
- new goalie coach, Murray was making changes to his game
- Sens also turned their season around mid March


The only thing to fight misinformation is FACTUAL information so of course my posts are long...
Apr. 7, 2022 at 1:23 p.m.
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Yes it is a silly trade but Cat > Sanderson all day long. Who knows how Sanderson will be in the NHL. I am a huge fan and think he will be good but until he gets here its all prospective that is why there is no top 5 pick in a draft class many have mentioned is not a deep one.

I think you got the point however based on your above comments because those IF's are huge IF's and very unlikely as I'm sure your aware.


I see but at the same time, Stars weren't ready to trade Miro Heiskanen for Erik Karlsson for a reason. I am confident to say the Senators see their Sanderson like the Stars saw their Heiskanen.

But yeah I understand what you were doing... but didn't think the comparison was good even if you don't think Sanderson is worth DeBrincat

It also really wasn't on any kind of ridiculous level to deserve your type of mockery response... I mean, a top pick was offered. It is massively underwhelming to the point of mockery for very few NHL players
Apr. 7, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.
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lol it's a 2-3 minutes read depending on your brain processor speed (this one 1 minute)

- $750,000 don't make a HUGE difference in dump's value
- picks were both late and expected late picks
- very good chance Murray ends up on LTIR
- Sens will still have a lot of cap space
- Murray has 2 years left, Sens don't NEED to PAY to dump him
- He's been good after his first 10 GP with Ottawa

2nd part was already point form, I guess the important part on why I took April :

- coming back from injury
- new goalie coach, Murray was making changes to his game
- Sens also turned their season around mid March


The only thing to fight misinformation is FACTUAL information so of course my posts are long...


Thank you for making it succinct, I do appreciate it. smile

- You're correct, but it still makes some at least.
- Late, but still high relatively speaking.
- Fair.
- Fair.
- I agree, and I don't think you should.

On your 2nd part, I think I should clarify, I believe the addition of April is a fluke because with the same coach and roughly the same defense (Chabot, Zub, Zaitsev, etc) this year, he has still posted average to decent results, a .906 SV% isn't bad by any means (I mean he's not Lankinen or Mrazek, lol), but it's nothing to write home about as exceptional. Maybe it's something with team culture (Sens turning around in March)? IDK.

At the end of the day, we do just speculate on this stuff, lol.
Apr. 7, 2022 at 4:06 p.m.
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Thank you for making it succinct, I do appreciate it. smile

- You're correct, but it still makes some at least.
- Late, but still high relatively speaking.
- Fair.
- Fair.
- I agree, and I don't think you should.

On your 2nd part, I think I should clarify, I believe the addition of April is a fluke because with the same coach and roughly the same defense (Chabot, Zub, Zaitsev, etc) this year, he has still posted average to decent results, a .906 SV% isn't bad by any means (I mean he's not Lankinen or Mrazek, lol), but it's nothing to write home about as exceptional. Maybe it's something with team culture (Sens turning around in March)? IDK.

At the end of the day, we do just speculate on this stuff, lol.


Always hard to lower the number of words! I find it's very important to clarify our thoughts as much as possible

Seriously for the 2nd part, it would take a lot of words/stats to really explain it lol. I keep track of this very closely because Ottawa is my #1 team and goalie is the position I have played for 3 decades now.

In summary, start of 2020-21 season :

- very young team (pure rookies in key roles too)
- didn't play in 10 months (most teams played in the 24 teams playoffs)
- had a 50% roster turnover with very bad veteran support (that's on management)
- just not capable of defending vs the McDrai and Matthews/Marner duos
- It took 9 games to start playing Zub (another proof they don't know what they're doing)
- Brannstrom was not available until later as he caught covid coming back from Europe when the NHL season started

When Zub and Brannstrom both played, team defense started to improve, coaching staff were also finally able to instill some kind of pro hockey systems. Murray first 7 games tanked his numbers for the season, he was fine after that (0.908 SV%) despite the team still being a work in progress

For the 2021-22 season, there's also a specific context as to why his SV% is only 0.906 but I think you should trust me lol. 2 games specifically tanked his numbers, one being on January 1st as the team had a long covid layoff.
Apr. 7, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
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Always hard to lower the number of words! I find it's very important to clarify our thoughts as much as possible

Seriously for the 2nd part, it would take a lot of words/stats to really explain it lol. I keep track of this very closely because Ottawa is my #1 team and goalie is the position I have played for 3 decades now.

In summary, start of 2020-21 season :

- very young team (pure rookies in key roles too)
- didn't play in 10 months (most teams played in the 24 teams playoffs)
- had a 50% roster turnover with very bad veteran support (that's on management)
- just not capable of defending vs the McDrai and Matthews/Marner duos
- It took 9 games to start playing Zub (another proof they don't know what they're doing)
- Brannstrom was not available until later as he caught covid coming back from Europe when the NHL season started

When Zub and Brannstrom both played, team defense started to improve, coaching staff were also finally able to instill some kind of pro hockey systems. Murray first 7 games tanked his numbers for the season, he was fine after that (0.908 SV%) despite the team still being a work in progress

For the 2021-22 season, there's also a specific context as to why his SV% is only 0.906 but I think you should trust me lol. 2 games specifically tanked his numbers, one being on January 1st as the team had a long covid layoff.


Alright, well, I guess we'll see how Murray looks after he gets back into the swing of things. Also, didn't know you actually played goalie, haha! Nice talking. smile
Apr. 7, 2022 at 5:39 p.m.
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Alright, well, I guess we'll see how Murray looks after he gets back into the swing of things. Also, didn't know you actually played goalie, haha! Nice talking. smile


Ya never played pro (because I started playing at 14 y/o in the street (came over from Europe at 11 y/o as a soccer player) but played in college then in very competitive amateur leagues in Montreal. People take this **** very seriously here lol

Regarding Murray, I'm not even sure he'll come back to be honest. He has had several concussion/head injuries. Not sure he'll get cleared to play in a contact league again.

Laters!
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I see but at the same time, Stars weren't ready to trade Miro Heiskanen for Erik Karlsson for a reason. I am confident to say the Senators see their Sanderson like the Stars saw their Heiskanen.

But yeah I understand what you were doing... but didn't think the comparison was good even if you don't think Sanderson is worth DeBrincat

It also really wasn't on any kind of ridiculous level to deserve your type of mockery response... I mean, a top pick was offered. It is massively underwhelming to the point of mockery for very few NHL players


Yes it was satire I agree, purposefully I might add to emphasise my point.

I don't think you can compare the Heiskenan Karlsson discussion to this, firstly the positions are different and getting an elite goal scorer is hard to come by, also the age gap is near half the difference between those 2 meaning Cat is still yet to hit his prime and has already showcased 1 40 goal season with another on the cards this season and was on track for more in the shortened season. Cat is able to play in all situations and doesn't come with an injury history.

I do see your point however and I don't think we would make a move for Sanderson and vice versa with Cat.
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Yes it was satire I agree, purposefully I might add to emphasise my point.

I don't think you can compare the Heiskenan Karlsson discussion to this, firstly the positions are different and getting an elite goal scorer is hard to come by, also the age gap is near half the difference between those 2 meaning Cat is still yet to hit his prime and has already showcased 1 40 goal season with another on the cards this season and was on track for more in the shortened season. Cat is able to play in all situations and doesn't come with an injury history.

I do see your point however and I don't think we would make a move for Sanderson and vice versa with Cat.


DeBrincat is 24 y/o. Do the Hawks have ownership/financial problems like the Sens had under Melnyk?

If not, why would they trade him? Is he a bad apple in the room? If not, he should part of the "solution", don't trade him.

Same for Ottawa, they won't trade Sanderson who is only 19 y/o

Teams don't trade players they WANT to have on their team, unless significant overpayment, but then would it really be worth it for the other team?

Speaking of DeBrincat, he is 13th in Goals Per Game since he entered the league

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=scoringpergame&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,5&sort=goalsPerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

I thought it would be better starting from his second year but 14th :

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?report=scoringpergame&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20212022&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,5&sort=goalsPerGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Anyway, Sens already have an elite goal scorer so they shouldn't give up the moon for another one. What they'd need is a Batherson clone.
 
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