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Created by: Shibbal18
Team: 2022-23 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2022
Published: Apr. 13, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
2$750,000
3$1,850,000
2$1,050,000
2$1,050,000
3$3,050,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$750,000
1$1,000,000
3$2,250,000
3$6,000,000
Trades
1.
CHI
  1. Mittelstadt, Casey
  2. Rosén, Isak [Reserve List]
  3. 2022 1st round pick (VGK)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (FLA)
2.
BUF
    Waivers
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$82,500,000$58,410,000$0$3,120,000$24,090,000
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $3,050,000$3,050,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    C, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
    $2,625,000$2,625,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$412,500$412K)
    C, LW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $855,833$855,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LW, RW
    RFA - 3
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    $2,200,000$2,200,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $825,000$825,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $2,250,000$2,250,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    G
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $925,000$925,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    G
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
    LD/RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $750,000$750,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,850,000$1,850,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1

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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:21 p.m.
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    Maybe just sign him to the UFA in a year? I'm sure Adams wouldn't make such a deal.
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:27 p.m.
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    3.5ish first round picks for one year of Kane at 10.5 Mil? Hard pass
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:34 p.m.
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    Curious what BUF has to gain by obtaining 10mil Kane with one year remaining on his deal (especially considering BUF is not a shoe-in to make the playoffs either?)
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: Fjordy
    Maybe just sign him to the UFA in a year? I'm sure Adams wouldn't make such a deal.


    Quoting: wojme
    3.5ish first round picks for one year of Kane at 10.5 Mil? Hard pass


    Mitts is a bust, Florida's pick may be low, and I never liked Rosen, so for me, its a meh, i can live with it. They get a year to negotiate an extension
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:36 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    Curious what BUF has to gain by obtaining 10mil Kane with one year remaining on his deal (especially considering BUF is not a shoe-in to make the playoffs either?)


    They'd be even closer than not having him
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    They'd be even closer than not having him


    But trading multiple 1sts and young prospects to "get closer" for one year is just not sound asset management
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: McRanteskog
    But trading multiple 1sts and young prospects to "get closer" for one year is just not sound asset management


    They are 2 late round firsts which are nothing but a bag of magic beans, Mittlestadt is a bust, and Rosen (albeit only 19 years old) is showing he's not ready to play with men in the SHL. Rosen, given time to develop would be the wild card here on whether it's worth it or not, the rest of the assets aren't huge losses for the Sabres or acquisitions for the Hawks.

    That said, I think Kane would decline this most importantly, but depending on rosen, doubt the Hawks do this as Kane sells tickets and merchandise and keeping him a lifelong Hawk is worth a lot to the organization.
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 12:49 p.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    They are 2 late round firsts which are nothing but a bag of magic beans, Mittlestadt is a bust, and Rosen (albeit only 19 years old) is showing he's not ready to play with men in the SHL. Rosen, given time to develop would be the wild card here on whether it's worth it or not, the rest of the assets aren't huge losses for the Sabres or acquisitions for the Hawks.

    That said, I think Kane would decline this most importantly, but depending on rosen, doubt the Hawks do this as Kane sells tickets and merchandise and keeping him a lifelong Hawk is worth a lot to the organization.


    Theres no amount of downplaying this BUF package you can do to hide the fact it is a total overpay for 1 year x 10.5mil of Kane.
    The two 1sts alone is approaching overpay territory especially considering the team acquiring Kane would have to be a playoff team (as why else would they be acquiring a 1 year rental) and have 10.5mil in free cap space (which is unlikely for a cup contender).

    Hold onto Kane, most other markets dont care less what you do with him.
    You are welcome to hold onto him and lose him for no return in FA or resign him to a deal which will most likely turn out to be an overpay for his latter late 30's years
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 1:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: ChiHawk
    They are 2 late round firsts which are nothing but a bag of magic beans, Mittlestadt is a bust, and Rosen (albeit only 19 years old) is showing he's not ready to play with men in the SHL. Rosen, given time to develop would be the wild card here on whether it's worth it or not, the rest of the assets aren't huge losses for the Sabres or acquisitions for the Hawks.

    That said, I think Kane would decline this most importantly, but depending on rosen, doubt the Hawks do this as Kane sells tickets and merchandise and keeping him a lifelong Hawk is worth a lot to the organization.


    He’s also going to be really REALLY good for awhile after his current contract. He could easily sign an extension W Buffalo should he chose to go there.
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.
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    Probably fine value one year of Kane. Hawks kinda missed the boat in terms of getting a massive return. Florida pick is going to be 28-32, Mitts is kinda a bust, Rosen is worth no where near where he was drafted. Vegas probably makes the playoffs and wins a round or two, if not more, now that they are healthy (kinda). It looks like a lot to BUF fans until year break it down and realize there really isn't anything special here. It all comes down to Kane and where he wants to be. If that is Buffalo, hawks would have no choice but to accept
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: Wadejos123
    Probably fine value one year of Kane. Hawks kinda missed the boat in terms of getting a massive return. Florida pick is going to be 28-32, Mitts is kinda a bust, Rosen is worth no where near where he was drafted. Vegas probably makes the playoffs and wins a round or two, if not more, now that they are healthy (kinda). It looks like a lot to BUF fans until year break it down and realize there really isn't anything special here. It all comes down to Kane and where he wants to be. If that is Buffalo, hawks would have no choice but to accept


    If Vegas makes it they probably play Colorado. Really hoping they dont though lol
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    Apr. 13, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
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    If Vegas makes it they probably play Colorado. Really hoping they dont though lol


    My hawks are out of it so I have no stakes. A vegas/colorado series would be awesome with both teams healthy. Just as a hockey fan I would love to see it. These playoffs should be awesome. Both conferences have multiple very good teams
    Apr. 13, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Edited Apr. 13, 2022 at 4:51 p.m.
    Quoting: McRanteskog
    Theres no amount of downplaying this BUF package you can do to hide the fact it is a total overpay for 1 year x 10.5mil of Kane.
    The two 1sts alone is approaching overpay territory especially considering the team acquiring Kane would have to be a playoff team (as why else would they be acquiring a 1 year rental) and have 10.5mil in free cap space (which is unlikely for a cup contender).

    Hold onto Kane, most other markets dont care less what you do with him.
    You are welcome to hold onto him and lose him for no return in FA or resign him to a deal which will most likely turn out to be an overpay for his latter late 30's years


    Your response is funny as you keep referencing "you" meaning "me" has zero to do with any decisions made in reality! LOL

    That said, my point is....

    #1 Most importantly, Kane is very unlikely to waive for Buffalo and it's his call at the end of the day. The trade proposed here is a non starter for that reason regardless of the package; could be (4) first round picks...doesn't matter
    #2 Let's say Kane agrees, then unless Hawks have a very high opinion of Rosen they wouldn't trade Kane for 2 late firsts and a bust in Mittlestadt because Kane drives revenues for the team
    #3 Obviously any trade for Kane the hawks would retain half which would be assumed
    #4 He would only go to a playoff team for both his reasons and the acquiring team
    #5 Kane is demonstrating he's going to be playing at a very high level for years to come (currently at a 1.2ppg pace) and wouldn't assume he's going to be overpaid as such; likely a 4 to 5 year $8m to $9m contract which is worth it for a player that looks to continue to produce at a ppg plus rate for the foreseeable. Very few players in the history of hockey have shown they can do that, but Kane is also one of the very few best wingers the league has ever seen so no reason to suggest he can't continue at this rate into his late 30s.

    For the sake of conversation, the points I share are all valid as to why the hawks and kane would likely not accept and they hold the cards together not Buffalo or any other team which is why I am addressing this from perceived perspectives they'd likely have.
     
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