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Interesting opportunity

Created by: Random2152
Team: 2022-23 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 20, 2022
Published: Apr. 20, 2022
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Rumour has it JP is on the outs (because Holland is an idiot) but with the news that Ellis isn't happy there may be room for an interesting gamble


I won't bother filling in the depth but I've left the space to do so
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$874,125
2$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Ellis, Ryan
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His value should be at an all time low here, and with the injury concerns this may be more than PHI could expect
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  1. Höglander, Nils
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This isnt a full trade hog is just the only guy that matters
VAN
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
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2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
19$82,500,000$80,280,254$896,000$1,650,000$2,219,746
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$874,125$874,125
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 5
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 1
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$5,538,462$5,538,462
LD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 1
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
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UFA - 1

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Apr. 20, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.
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I’d rather stick it out with Hoglander because he’s cheaper
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Apr. 20, 2022 at 6:53 p.m.
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I’d rather stick it out with Hoglander because he’s cheaper


Same, but more so because I just like the stylistic fit better than Puljujarvi, plus we still don't really know what Hoglander's ceiling is
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Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:04 p.m.
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What would you want from the Devils for Pool?
Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:19 p.m.
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What would you want from the Devils for Pool?


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Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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Puljujärvi has finally developped and is a good 2way player. He just needs to improve on his finish. Let Kane be gone
Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:22 p.m.
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that's not happening lol
Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:25 p.m.
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Quoting: HeadHighSauce
that's not happening lol


oh sorry I meant Mercer and a 1st
Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:29 p.m.
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Sharangovich and a 2nd
Apr. 20, 2022 at 7:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
I’d rather stick it out with Hoglander because he’s cheaper


Seems like a guy on the outs though no? Unless something has changed recently BB doesn't seem to like him at all. Besides it's not like JP is the same but more expensive, he is a significant upgrade in the immediate future even if you think Hog is better than his results has been this year (which I do fwiw)
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:00 p.m.
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Seems like a guy on the outs though no? Unless something has changed recently BB doesn't seem to like him at all. Besides it's not like JP is the same but more expensive, he is a significant upgrade in the immediate future even if you think Hog is better than his results has been this year (which I do fwiw)


Well first of all Hog has had a sophomore slump and it does t help he’s been recently injured. By the looks of it, the Canucks won’t be trading for immediate help as they are likely going to re-tool so an ELC like Hoglander is ideal has he still had a high ceiling. As for BB, he doesn’t dislike him, he’s just especially hard on him because he’s been struggling this year. It’s kinda hard to evaluate Pool Party but I’m sure playing with the likes of Drai and McDavid can give him some inflated stats
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Well first of all Hog has had a sophomore slump and it does t help he’s been recently injured. By the looks of it, the Canucks won’t be trading for immediate help as they are likely going to re-tool so an ELC like Hoglander is ideal has he still had a high ceiling. As for BB, he doesn’t dislike him, he’s just especially hard on him because he’s been struggling this year. It’s kinda hard to evaluate Pool Party but I’m sure playing with the likes of Drai and McDavid can give him some inflated stats


Mcdavid has been more productive with JP than without. If you want to really get under the hood JP has fantastic underlying numbers. I like Hog, JP is a significant upgrade right now.

And yes, you're right it's a re-tool, not a rebuild. Moving a guy who isn't working for another young guy who is working fits into that really nicely. You're getting attached to your own players here. JP would be your best full time winger
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:05 p.m.
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Mcdavid has been more productive with JP than without. If you want to really get under the hood JP has fantastic underlying numbers. I like Hog, JP is a significant upgrade right now.

And yes, you're right it's a re-tool, not a rebuild. Moving a guy who isn't working for another young guy who is working fits into that really nicely. You're getting attached to your own players here. JP would be your best full time winger


The Canucks would also have to find a way to move another 3 mil in cap space. It’s simply too early to move on from Hoglander. He’s had a rather slow start but I think with a good training camp and some defensive cleaning up, he can be a good top 9 player for Vancouver.
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:08 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
The Canucks would also have to find a way to move another 3 mil in cap space. It’s simply too early to move on from Hoglander. He’s had a rather slow start but I think with a good training camp and some defensive cleaning up, he can be a good top 9 player for Vancouver.


So you want a maybe top 9 player rather than a sure top 6 one over 3 million dollars? Is Melnyk possessing you?

Anyway from what I've heard most of your wingers are available (although that doesn't mean they'll all be moved).

TP, CG, BB, and looking at his usage Hog can easily be apart of this group. I wouldn't worry about clearing the money all that much. There are always takers for good players and you'll get value back on most (maybe not so much for TP but whatever)
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:12 p.m.
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So you want a maybe top 9 player rather than a sure top 6 one over 3 million dollars? Is Melnyk possessing you?

Anyway from what I've heard most of your wingers are available (although that doesn't mean they'll all be moved).

TP, CG, BB, and looking at his usage Hog can easily be apart of this group. I wouldn't worry about clearing the money all that much. There are always takers for good players and you'll get value back on most (maybe not so much for TP but whatever)


Given that Hoglander has played in the top 6/9 for his whole career says yes. He’s 21 years old and has only played two season both of which have been super weird. Pool party has 34 points this season which I can’t say is super overwhelming. That’s less than Tanner Pearson on our team. Yes Hoglander has not been good but I don’t see any reason why he can’t be a better player than PJ
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:20 p.m.
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Given that Hoglander has played in the top 6/9 for his whole career says yes. He’s 21 years old and has only played two season both of which have been super weird. Pool party has 34 points this season which I can’t say is super overwhelming. That’s less than Tanner Pearson on our team. Yes Hoglander has not been good but I don’t see any reason why he can’t be a better player than PJ


Ah. Evaling with points. We've found the issue here.
The game is much better understood when you stop using points to evaluate a player and instead look at what makes up a point at the lowest level. Also not all points are equal but that's a whole other thing entirely.

JP is really good. I'm not an oilers fan (and quite frankly I want them to fail because the salt and offseason panic from the fans and management are very funny) so you can take that as being without bias
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Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:23 p.m.
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Ah. Evaling with points. We've found the issue here.
The game is much better understood when you stop using points to evaluate a player and instead look at what makes up a point at the lowest level. Also not all points are equal but that's a whole other thing entirely.

JP is really good. I'm not an oilers fan (and quite frankly I want them to fail because the salt and offseason panic from the fans and management are very funny) so you can take that as being without bias


I’m not solely using points to evaluate a player but if we take away points, there really isn’t a whole lot that separates Hog and Poolparty. This year Hoglander has had a rough time defensively but he’s still had some of the best analytics on the Canucks in the last couple of years. I know Pulju is a great player but this doesn’t really fill any of Vancouvers needs so there doesn’t really seem to be a motive. Maybe if his extension was cheap but he’s getting probably 4-5 million and we already have little cap space
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:27 p.m.
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I’m not solely using points to evaluate a player but if we take away points, there really isn’t a whole lot that separates Hog and Poolparty. This year Hoglander has had a rough time defensively but he’s still had some of the best analytics on the Canucks in the last couple of years. I know Pulju is a great player but this doesn’t really fill any of Vancouvers needs so there doesn’t really seem to be a motive. Maybe if his extension was cheap but he’s getting probably 4-5 million and we already have little cap space


I mean the gap between JP and Hog right now is pretty huge actually. GSVA of 1.9 vs 0.6 so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Don't have his exact war% rank on hand but the gap is similarly large.

Again, I like Hog which is why I have him in here. The idea is a trade that in some way works out for both parties, but JP is heads over tails better right now and that isn't up for debate.

Also points are the #1 determining factor for contracts so his 34 points will likely mean he won't cost a ton unless you're smart and go long term like 7@4.25 (which would be an excellent deal)
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:27 p.m.
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Ah. Evaling with points. We've found the issue here.
The game is much better understood when you stop using points to evaluate a player and instead look at what makes up a point at the lowest level. Also not all points are equal but that's a whole other thing entirely.

JP is really good. I'm not an oilers fan (and quite frankly I want them to fail because the salt and offseason panic from the fans and management are very funny) so you can take that as being without bias


I too recognize that Puljujarvi has been good on his own and without McDavid's help, but that's still not enough to convince me to give up a guy like Hoglander for him, even though JP is still cost-controlled
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:29 p.m.
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I too recognize that Puljujarvi has been good on his own and without McDavid's help, but that's still not enough to convince me to give up a guy like Hoglander for him, even though JP is still cost-controlled


I mean that's fine as long as you realise it isn't based on anything concrete other than familiarity bias
Apr. 20, 2022 at 8:30 p.m.
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I mean that's fine as long as you realise it isn't based on anything concrete other than familiarity bias


I suppose, not that I have any problem with others disagreeing, just giving my take
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