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Lots of TRADE Talk around Gallagher

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Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 22, 2022
Published: Apr. 22, 2022
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There is a lot of Chatter that Gallagher`s days are numbered in Montreal

Many rumors surrounding LA Kings and the fact that Rob Blake loves Galagher`s tenacity and would like him on the team.

LA would not renew Dustin Brown to make this trade happen.

What do the HABS get in Return for Gallagher
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  1. Grans, Helge
  2. 2023 5th round pick (LAK)
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  1. Gallagher, Brendan
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Is this a fair price for Gallagher. Look at the notes at the top
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Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:43 a.m.
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LA laughs
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Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:46 a.m.
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So what is he worth according to you. A 7th rd pick
Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.
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Gallagher is 30 with 5 years left in a high priced contract. He has had injury troubles and plays a style of game that take as toll in the body.

He is a huge risk of becoming a liability. I don’t think you’ll get rid of him so easily
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Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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IMO it's an awful idea for a team to pick up that whole contract. That being said, there are GM's that have consistently proven to do stupid things in the name of "Tenacity, grit and truculenceeeee!", even though it's proven time and time again to be a poor life choice.

Like, I'd do a bad contract swap or something along those lines, but who really knows.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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Gallagher is 30 with 5 years left in a high priced contract. He has had injury troubles and plays a style of game that take as toll in the body.

He is a huge risk of becoming a liability. I don’t think you’ll get rid of him so easily


Understood, and I know that trading Gallagher is almost impossible but if Rib Blake wants him what will he pay according to you
Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:52 a.m.
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So what is he worth according to you. A 7th rd pick


theyll need to lose the deal to get rid of his contract
Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:53 a.m.
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lets look. hes got 5yr at 6.5mil remaining (sheeeesh)

19-20 - 43pts and missed 12 games due to injury/illness
20-21 - 23pts and missed 21 games due to injury/illness
21-22 - 20pts and missed 26 games due to injury/illness

at 6.5mil, he should be producing minimum 55+ pts/season and is nowhere near those levels nor is he staying healthy..

We are looking at a cap dump with heavy compensation or a buyout here if you ask me (IF he gets moved this offseason).
Its in MTLs best interest to hold onto him now in hopes he has a good 22-23 season and trade him when his value is higher.
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Apr. 22, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
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lets look. hes got 5yr at 6.5mil remaining (sheeeesh)

19-20 - 43pts and missed 12 games due to injury/illness
20-21 - 23pts and missed 21 games due to injury/illness
21-22 - 20pts and missed 26 games due to injury/illness

at 6.5mil, he should be producing minimum 55+ pts/season and is nowhere near those levels nor is he staying healthy..

We are looking at a cap dump with heavy compensation or a buyout here if you ask me (IF he gets moved this offseason).
Its in MTLs best interest to hold onto him now in hopes he has a good 22-23 season and trade him when his value is higher.


could not have said it better!
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So what is he worth according to you. A 7th rd pick


We are talking MTL paying 1sts and prospects to move off his contract (even with some possible retained salary depending on the package)
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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.
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We are talking MTL paying 1sts and prospects to move off his contract (even with some possible retained salary depending on the package)


I hear what you are saying but that will never happen. They will keep those picks draft the players, buyout Gallagher`s contract and play the kids.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:04 a.m.
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I hear what you are saying but that will never happen. They will keep those picks draft the players, buyout Gallagher`s contract and play the kids.


Then i guess youve got your answer then.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brendan-gallagher
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:05 a.m.
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I think they only way they trade Gallagher is if they retain half of his contract. In my opinion they need to do that just to break even on the trade but I'm sure they could possibly recoup something if they do.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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Then i guess youve got your answer then.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brendan-gallagher


It would make the most sense. As a GM how could you give up 1st rd picks to dump a contract. I would use those picks, keep playing Gallagher for 2 more years and then buyout his contract so the kids can play for $800K per year
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:06 a.m.
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I don’t see him returning a prospect of that quality. A Gallagher to LA trade makes a lot of sense for the Kings but I’d expect a couple picks and a middle of the road prospect
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:10 a.m.
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Then i guess youve got your answer then.
https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/brendan-gallagher


If the HABS buyout his contract in 2024, there is a $2.16M Cap hit per season and I could live with that except for 1 of the years it would be $4.1M
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It would make the most sense. As a GM how could you give up 1st rd picks to dump a contract. I would use those picks, keep playing Gallagher for 2 more years and then buyout his contract so the kids can play for $800K per year


GMs move draft picks all the time to shed bad contracts, quite common practice to be honest.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
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GMs move draft picks all the time to shed bad contracts, quite common practice to be honest.


you are correct but how often does a team that's rebuilding move a first to shed a bad contract? I agree the offer above is completely unreaslistic But i think the most the habs would pay to move him is 1-2mil retention with a second and Mysak or something like that. If that doesnt get it done then they are pretty much forced to hold on to him till they feel comfortable buying him out.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:34 a.m.
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you are correct but how often does a team that's rebuilding move a first to shed a bad contract? I agree the offer above is completely unreaslistic But i think the most the habs would pay to move him is 1-2mil retention with a second and Mysak or something like that. If that doesnt get it done then they are pretty much forced to hold on to him till they feel comfortable buying him out.


How often do teams have this much cap spent and sitting in 31st? Nothing is normal about where MTL stands currently.
This MTL is in a very unique situation where they need to rebuild but have all this cap and contracts already committed.
This MTL scenario may require picks and prospects moved to kick start the rebuild and shed themselves of some contracts.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:38 a.m.
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In my mind his contract is worse than Kreider’s and they’re both around 30 with like 4-5 years left at $6.5 mil. People say Kreider is worthless cause of his contract (I’m not one of those individuals) and we’d have to pay if we wanted to move him, so I’m thinking Gallagher will cost even more to offload.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:41 a.m.
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We should have traded Gallagher 2 years ago before Bergevin extended him, but it became so personal between Gally ang Bergy that this contract was a way of thanking him for his contribution for the past years with such a low cap hit. We are stuck with him. Hughes will have to pray that the cap rises in the next few years.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:57 a.m.
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lets look. hes got 5yr at 6.5mil remaining (sheeeesh)

19-20 - 43pts and missed 12 games due to injury/illness
20-21 - 23pts and missed 21 games due to injury/illness
21-22 - 20pts and missed 26 games due to injury/illness

at 6.5mil, he should be producing minimum 55+ pts/season and is nowhere near those levels nor is he staying healthy..

We are looking at a cap dump with heavy compensation or a buyout here if you ask me (IF he gets moved this offseason).
Its in MTLs best interest to hold onto him now in hopes he has a good 22-23 season and trade him when his value is higher.


Ideally you don't want a player missing that many games, but his injuries aren't chronic. They are bad luck, like taking a puck to the hand. It's not knee, hip, back, concussion, where you can expect it to be a regular occurrence.

His injuries are a result of putting himself in dangerous areas of the ice. Coaches love those players and they are necessary.
How often do you see skill players or otherwise soft players criticized for not going to the dirty areas? Every coach wants those guys. Whether they have them for 60 games or 80, they'll take it.
There's no question that teams want Gallagher.

Now GMs have to find a way to make it work. Be that money in/out or retention. Gallagher is not grossly overpaid. Using his raw totals is misleading.
In '20 and '21, he had his 3rd best p/60 pace both years. He was also on pace for 30 goals. That would have been 4 consecutive 30 goal campaigns were it not for bad luck with injuries.
A 4 time 30 goal scorer is easily worth that contract and the 50 point total you suggest would have been met as well extrapolated for a full season.
Gallagher is from 10-30th among RW for total goals, per game, and per 60 over the last 3 years. Including his injuries and this season's poor results.

Teams would want him. His hands getting injured is the only real concern and blown out of proportion (how often does one player get hit in the hands by Weber caliber slapshots?). He's only 30 and still has at least a few good years in him.

His contract is a bargain if he can return to a 30 goal pace and only miss a handful of games. It's a problem if he repeats this season's results in a better situation (not on a historically bad team).

A couple picks and get him at $5M or less, either via retention or sending a contract back, isn't bad at all. Even if there's conditions on the picks, Montreal will take that bet. He's going to be better next year regardless of where he plays, the only question is how much.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: BadaBing
So what is he worth according to you. A 7th rd pick


I wouldn't take Gallagher for free

I would take him if you take Zaitsev in return

Ahh nevermind, he is owed 34 M$ for the next 5 years... way too risky, he's significantly overpaid from now on.
Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:12 p.m.
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People say Kreider is worthless cause of his contract and we’d have to pay if we wanted to move him.


Who said such a ridiculous thing lol
Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:19 p.m.
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Ideally you don't want a player missing that many games, but his injuries aren't chronic. They are bad luck, like taking a puck to the hand. It's not knee, hip, back, concussion, where you can expect it to be a regular occurrence.

His injuries are a result of putting himself in dangerous areas of the ice. Coaches love those players and they are necessary.
How often do you see skill players or otherwise soft players criticized for not going to the dirty areas? Every coach wants those guys. Whether they have them for 60 games or 80, they'll take it.
There's no question that teams want Gallagher.

Now GMs have to find a way to make it work. Be that money in/out or retention. Gallagher is not grossly overpaid. Using his raw totals is misleading.
In '20 and '21, he had his 3rd best p/60 pace both years. He was also on pace for 30 goals. That would have been 4 consecutive 30 goal campaigns were it not for bad luck with injuries.
A 4 time 30 goal scorer is easily worth that contract and the 50 point total you suggest would have been met as well extrapolated for a full season.
Gallagher is from 10-30th among RW for total goals, per game, and per 60 over the last 3 years. Including his injuries and this season's poor results.

Teams would want him. His hands getting injured is the only real concern and blown out of proportion (how often does one player get hit in the hands by Weber caliber slapshots?). He's only 30 and still has at least a few good years in him.

His contract is a bargain if he can return to a 30 goal pace and only miss a handful of games. It's a problem if he repeats this season's results in a better situation (not on a historically bad team).

A couple picks and get him at $5M or less, either via retention or sending a contract back, isn't bad at all. Even if there's conditions on the picks, Montreal will take that bet. He's going to be better next year regardless of where he plays, the only question is how much.


Unfortunately the reason why i took a 3 year sample size is to account for "bad luck"
Injuries troubles for three consecutive years, more likely chronic issues than just bad luck
Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:27 p.m.
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In my mind his contract is worse than Kreider’s and they’re both around 30 with like 4-5 years left at $6.5 mil. People say Kreider is worthless cause of his contract (I’m not one of those individuals) and we’d have to pay if we wanted to move him, so I’m thinking Gallagher will cost even more to offload.


anyone that has a capable working brain is taking kreiders contarct over gallagher, you are being way too generous, kreider just got 50 goals, gally has 6, its not even close, habs fans are delusional
 
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