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Created by: exo2769

Team: 2022-23 Chicago Blackhawks

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 19, 2022

Published: Apr. 22, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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The Hawks are rebuilding. I don't like the idea of losing Murphy, but the Hawks are not contenders and they need to develop their draft picks. I like the way Vlasic and Regula have been playing lately. I'd like to give Ian Mitchell more NHL ice time and allow Beaudin a larger role in Rockford. The way to rebuild is to trade good assets away and retain 50%. That's how we can best weaponize our cap space...to help out other teams that would like to spend assets toward beating the cap. TOR is the perfect example. They have more money than any other team in the NHL and have been able to sign UFAs like Steeves and Ellis from Notre Dame without using an draft capital at all. And even prying away Curtis Douglas from Dallas. They've even been able to find quality players in the 2nd/3rd rounds like Knies, Robertson, Topi, etc... They can't however, make the cap go any higher for them vs other teams. Spend the assets to make it happen.

As a side...If MIN can $13M in dead cap next year...we can have $2.2M in dead cap...

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Dach, Kirby	3	$2,000,000
Strome, Dylan	1	$3,600,000
Kubalik, Dominik	1	$4,000,000
Kurashev, Philipp	2	$1,000,000
Kalynuk, Wyatt	2	$1,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Holtby, Braden		1	$3,000,000

Trades

CHI

Knies, Matthew [Reserve List]
Mrázek, Petr
2023 1st round pick (TOR)
2024 1st round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Imagine paying Mrazek $6M per year...because that's what this is.

TOR

Borgström, Henrik
Murphy, Connor ($2,200,000 retained)

Additional Details:

Its 4 years of a #1 RHD for $2.2M

Retained Salary Transactions

Connor Murphy: $2,200,000 (50%)

Recapture Fees

Duncan Keith: $5,538,462

Buried

Brett Connolly: $2,375,000 ($3,500,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$82,500,000	$70,950,962	$237,500	$1,700,000	$11,549,038

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kubalik, Dominik $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 1
DeBrincat, Alex $6,400,000$6,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Strome, Dylan $3,600,000$3,600,000 C UFA - 1	Raddysh, Taylor $758,333$758,333 RW RFA - 2
Kurashev, Philipp $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, C, RW RFA - 1	Dach, Kirby $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, RW RFA - 4	Johnson, Tyler $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Katchouk, Boris $758,333$758,333 LW RFA - 2		Entwistle, Mackenzie $800,000$800,000 LW, C RFA - 2
	Johnson, Reese $800,000$800,000 RW, C RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Vlasic, Alex $916,667$916,667 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 2	Jones, Seth $9,500,000$9,500,000 RD NMC UFA - 8	Holtby, Braden $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA
McCabe, Jake $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Regula, Alec $866,667$866,667 RD RFA - 1
Stillman, Riley $1,350,000$1,350,000 LD RFA - 2	Mitchell, Ian $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Mrázek, Petr $3,800,000$3,800,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Khaira, Jujhar $975,000$975,000 LW, C UFA - 1

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.

justaBoss

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If I'm Leafs I'd just buy Mrazek out and get Demelo from Jets.

Bound to get so much cheaper than this.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:37 a.m.

MatthewsFan

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Or better yet, we buy him out and keep Knies and the picks

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.

Ritzy

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Since when do #1 RHD sign for 4 years at 4.4M?

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.

exo2769

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Quoting: MatthewsFan

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Or better yet, we buy him out and keep Knies and the picks

You can absolutely do that. There's a combination of factors here. Murphy being a veteran and provided exactly what TOR needs to a big help. It's much larger part of this trade than Mrazek's buyout.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.

exo2769

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Quoting: Ritzy

Since when do #1 RHD sign for 4 years at 4.4M?

Murph was our #1 RHD all of last year. He signed that exact contract. and I have him on the 2nd pair for TOR.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.

littlejerryseinfeld

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This seems insane for toronto to do

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.

Lambchopz

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“#1 RHD” if Murphy is considered a #1 RD, than the Leafs already have 1 #1 RD in Brodie (actually kind true tho), a young #1 RHD guy for either 1 or 2 years from now, and Justin Holl who, relative to Connor Murphy, isn’t even majorly behind.

Leafs don’t really need a guy like Murphy, he’s basically Lyubushkin but more accustomed to top 4 minutes. Brodie and Liljegren are their top 4 RD for the next 2-3 years most likely, and Murphy would eventually be our 3RD. A very good 3RD, yes, but far from worth paying up a stud prospect and 2 1sts, even if we are getting the Mrazek contract dumped

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.

Ritzy

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Quoting: exo2769

Murph was our #1 RHD all of last year. He signed that exact contract. and I have him on the 2nd pair for TOR.

Oh okay, he was your #1 RHD, not an actual #1 RHD.

No thanks, rather keep Knies and the firsts.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

You can absolutely do that. There's a combination of factors here. Murphy being a veteran and provided exactly what TOR needs to a big help. It's much larger part of this trade than Mrazek's buyout.

Not hating on Murphy, I like the player. But the easiest way out of this is a buyout for Mrazek. It's not ideal but one that I would support

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.

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Quoting: Ritzy

Oh okay, he was your #1 RHD, not an actual #1 RHD.

No thanks, rather keep Knies and the firsts.

Well our #1 RHD means that he's is in FACT a #1 RHD. Probably and admittedly would be behind Brodie because MR and TJ are playing really well together.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:46 a.m.

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Quoting: MatthewsFan

Not hating on Murphy, I like the player. But the easiest way out of this is a buyout for Mrazek. It's not ideal but one that I would support

I still think the biggest benefit out of all of this is $2.2M in cap retention for 4 years. That's MASSIVE for a team always at the cap ceiling. Let's pretend you buyout Mrazek....that's $1M on average rounding...so what would you give for $3.2M in cap space for 4 years...and a VERY capable 2nd pair shutdown dman?

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

We’ve had Kessel’s dead cap hit for multiple seasons and just posted the best regular season in Leafs history. They can make it work.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:50 a.m.

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Ritzy

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Quoting: exo2769

Well our #1 RHD means that he's is in FACT a #1 RHD. Probably and admittedly would be behind Brodie because MR and TJ are playing really well together.

I guess by that logic, Lybushkin is a #1 RHD? He plays on the top pairing with Reilly. Think most people would agree with that fact? Of course not, because he isn't one. He's slotted there because he plays well with Reilly.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 11:57 a.m.

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Quoting: Ritzy

I mean what you're saying is not even true. MR plays with Brodie. That's your top pair. Murphy was the #1 RD for an entire season, not just a couple games. AND again, I have Murphy on your 2nd pair. I'm surprised in need to mention that a 3rd time.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=TOR&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-10-12&td=2022-05-01&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8476853&p2=8474673&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Connor Murphy, signed to a 4x$4.4M extension by CHI, is a top-pairing defensive defenceman. #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/za8utxLUtY
— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) August 31, 2021

Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.

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Quoting: justaBoss

If I'm Leafs I'd just buy Mrazek out and get Demelo from Jets.

Bound to get so much cheaper than this.

I can see the buyout for sure, but now you're essentially paying Demelo $4M a year and giving up assets for him. They're certainly not giving him up for free by an stretch.

I'm not only removing that $1M, but also taking another $2.2M for 4 years. So what would be getting $3.2M for 4 years and have a better defensive dman than Demelo.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:08 p.m.

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Ritzy

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Quoting: exo2769

Connor Murphy, signed to a 4x$4.4M extension by CHI, is a top-pairing defensive defenceman. #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/za8utxLUtY
— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) August 31, 2021

Really not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at.

You're still asking a kings ransom for a "#1 RHD" just because he plays in that spot for you. AND again, TOR will decline.

As many people have said to you between this thread, and the duplicate you posted, TOR will buyout Mrazek long before they consider something like this.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:22 p.m.

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I think it favors us too much. TOR wouldn't do this. Assume we were a good team, would we pay Reichel, 2 1st's, and dump Connely for a guy like Murphy? Absolutly not

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:32 p.m.

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justaBoss

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Quoting: exo2769

Both are pretty average. Demelo can be had for 2nd+3rd imo. Much better than spending Knies and two firsts to solve two not-that-pressing issues.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 12:34 p.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

Connor Murphy, signed to a 4x$4.4M extension by CHI, is a top-pairing defensive defenceman. #Blackhawks pic.twitter.com/za8utxLUtY
— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) August 31, 2021

Just a heads up, Rielly and Lyubushkin has been the leafs top pair for a few weeks now, Brodie has been paired with Holl.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.

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Quoting: SNipeSHowInc

Just a heads up, Rielly and Lyubushkin has been the leafs top pair for a few weeks now, Brodie has been paired with Holl.

Exactly! This, A few weeks is just a joke. I could say Vlasic is the Hawks top pair because he played on the top pair yesterday. A few weeks is nothing. A full season is something, that's what I'm talking about.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Wadejos123

I think it favors us too much. TOR wouldn't do this. Assume we were a good team, would we pay Reichel, 2 1st's, and dump Connely for a guy like Murphy? Absolutly not

Apples and Oranges. We're rebuilding. I have ZERO issue with Bowman's trade of Danault and Romanov for Fleishman/Weise. Does hindsight mean the Hawks lost the trade badly...of course, but they at least tried. AND we're in a cap constrained environment. Getting $3.2M in exact cap space a year for 4 years is huge.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/12878

Apr. 22, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.

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Quoting: Wadejos123

I think it favors us too much. TOR wouldn't do this. Assume we were a good team, would we pay Reichel, 2 1st's, and dump Connely for a guy like Murphy? Absolutly not

I don't think Toronto would do this, but I don't think it's a bad deal. When the Hawks were contending, they paid a 1st for half a season of guys like Ladd and Vermette. Sometimes those moves work out, sometimes they don't. But if the Hawks could have traded 2 1sts for a top 4 Dman making 2 million and dumping Bickell, I don't think I would have said no. For a contender, a guy like Murphy at a number like that for 4 years is pretty damn valuable. Same principle as the Hagel trade. I will say I don't think Murphy out performs his contract as much as Hagel, so maybe drop Knies for a lesser prospect, but the idea is there. Again, I'm not sure I would do it in TOR's situation in particular, but I think the concept is there.

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Apr. 22, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.

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exo2769

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Edited Apr. 22, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.

Quoting: thesaadfather

YES! Let's take this real life example and expand on it. We send Bickell, and TWO 1sts (Jokiharju/Boqvist), and a really good prospect for (4) years of a Top 6 winger or top 4 Dman at $2.2M...for 4 years?!?!?!?!?! We get a nice player in return....AND We're also keeping Panarin if this trade happens because we'll have the cap space.

***EDIT*** I guess technically it would have been Jake Oettinger

Imagine us going into the Nashville series being able to NOT be forced to put Tanner Kero as our #2C, but actually having someone that can play the #2C...I'm not even looking for the best #2C, but just someone that could play the position decent.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 2:33 p.m.

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Laquille

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Quoting: exo2769

Well our #1 RHD means that he's is in FACT a #1 RHD. Probably and admittedly would be behind Brodie because MR and TJ are playing really well together.

bruh Andrew Peeke is the #1 RHD of the Columbus blue jackets. I think this speaks by itself that where you play in ONE given organization doesn't make you a true #1 RHD.

Connor Murphy is a second pair D-men, that happens to play more minutes because of the lack of better player on the team he plays for.

Apr. 22, 2022 at 2:59 p.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

No but like, youre still wrong. Rielly Brodie isnt the top pair. and Connor Murphy isnt a number 1 dman. Its like saying Michael Bunting is a top 3 forward in the NHL. Yes he plays on the top line, but hes not a top 3 forward

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