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Dubois to COL

Created by: UpsideDownQue
Team: 2022-23 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 23, 2022
Published: Apr. 24, 2022
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lmk what you think would have to be added to the Dubois trade and what the cost of DeMelo would be if WPG is willing to trade him

For the UFA D men to fill out the 3rd pair in this price range I was thinking of:

Ian Cole
Brett Kulak
Alex Edler
Olli Maatta
Justin Braun
Ilya Lyubushkin
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,500,000
7$7,000,000
1$874,125
1$787,500
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
7$5,000,000
5$6,000,000
4$4,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
UFA, D Man
1$2,750,000
UFA, D Man
1$2,750,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Friedman on 32 Thoughts (HNIC) says if Pierre-Luc Dubois is not willing to sign long-term in Winnipeg this summer, he thinks you’re gonna hear some conversations about his name being out there

If he doesnt want to sign in WPG long term I think COL is a good fit for him - they have room at 2C with Kadri leaving and he fits with their timeline
WPG
  1. Girard, Samuel
Additional Details:
Not sure about the return but I think as a base Girard-Dubois makes some sense. Other pieces could be added too
2.
COL
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
Additional Details:
If COL moves Girard they need to add another D man
WPG
    Whats the price?
    3.
    COL
      A late pick or something
      BUF
      1. Johnson, Erik
      Additional Details:
      To mentor Owen Power

      Assuming EJ waives
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2022
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      2023
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      2024
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      Logo of the COL
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$82,500,000$82,215,000$25,000$3,562,500$285,000

      Roster

      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      LW, C
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $6,300,000$6,300,000
      C
      NMC
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $9,250,000$9,250,000
      RW, C
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 8
      $7,000,000$7,000,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      $4,000,000$4,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $3,500,000$3,500,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $3,500,000$3,500,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $912,500$912,500 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
      LW, C
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $1,500,000$1,500,000
      C
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $1,050,000$1,050,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $4,100,000$4,100,000
      LD
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $9,000,000$9,000,000
      RD
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      G
      UFA - 5
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
      LD/RD
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
      $3,000,000$3,000,000
      RD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      UFA, D Man
      $2,750,000$2,750,000
      UFA, D Man
      $2,750,000$2,750,000
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $787,500$787,500
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
      $987,500$987,500
      LD/RD, LW
      UFA - 2

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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:32 p.m.
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      Bandwagon fairweathe
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      I don’t see a fit for girard in Winnipeg, if Dubois gets dealt, going to start some major changes and probably a ton of draft picks
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
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      Jets have no use for Girard. I would imagine they would target Newhook to start.
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
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      Quoting: Birtle34
      I don’t see a fit for girard in Winnipeg, if Dubois gets dealt, going to start some major changes and probably a ton of draft picks


      Fair enough, it could always turn into a 3 way deal with Girard going to LAK or somewhere else and picks/prospects going to WPG
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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      Sorry, I think it's wishful thinking that EJ waives in his last NHL season.
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.
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      Quoting: UpsideDownQue
      Fair enough, it could always turn into a 3 way deal with Girard going to LAK or somewhere else and picks/prospects going to WPG


      I don’t see Dubois moving at all for at least another season, there’s a lot of other moves and decisions to be made first. Probably won’t be a term or Money issue In negotiations
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.
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      Quoting: UpsideDownQue
      Fair enough, it could always turn into a 3 way deal with Girard going to LAK or somewhere else and picks/prospects going to WPG


      If Dubois is being moved, jets are going into a full rebuild. Friedman is just talking talk. Dubois himself has lived in Winnipeg before he came here as his parents are here. He’s talked about loving the city so much. Jets always leave their contract talks until the summer, so likely why there’s been 0 talks.

      So if he’s moved, they’d be asking for picks on top of picks lol. Think like 2 1sts and prospects.
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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      Quoting: palhal
      Sorry, I think it's wishful thinking that EJ waives in his last NHL season.


      Might be wishful thinking that he waives for BUF but I dont think 2022-2023 will be his last season
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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      If Dubois is to be moved, I cant see the jets not asking for Byram and Newhook
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:43 p.m.
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      Gonna be tough signing MacKinnon with PLD on the books
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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      Pierre-Luc Dubois starts with Newhook and Byram not Girard. And there's no freaking way Erik Johnson is waiving for Buffalo.
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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      Quoting: jgimp69
      Jets have no use for Girard. I would imagine they would target Newhook to start.


      Quoting: bnormie46
      If Dubois is to be moved, I cant see the jets not asking for Byram and Newhook


      Im not completely opposed to moving Newhook if were bringing back a 2C, im just not sure how the money would work for COL if they move an ELC and bring in a (likely) 7M+ player

      Byram is completely untouchable imo

      What about flipping Girard to a team like LAK for picks/prospects? I bet Turcotte++ would be on the table in addition to whatever futures COL gives WPG directly on top of Girard
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 2:53 p.m.
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      Quoting: Birtle34
      I don’t see Dubois moving at all for at least another season, there’s a lot of other moves and decisions to be made first. Probably won’t be a term or Money issue In negotiations


      Quoting: tsyls
      If Dubois is being moved, jets are going into a full rebuild. Friedman is just talking talk. Dubois himself has lived in Winnipeg before he came here as his parents are here. He’s talked about loving the city so much. Jets always leave their contract talks until the summer, so likely why there’s been 0 talks.

      So if he’s moved, they’d be asking for picks on top of picks lol. Think like 2 1sts and prospects.


      Tbh I dont know much about WPGs plan or Dubois' WPG background, I was just basing this off of what I heard Friedman said. More of a "what if" post that completely hinges how Dubois is feeling
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:01 p.m.
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      Quoting: UpsideDownQue
      Tbh I dont know much about WPGs plan or Dubois' WPG background, I was just basing this off of what I heard Friedman said. More of a "what if" post that completely hinges how Dubois is feeling

      Belief is that wheeler and scheifele are kind of toxic and at the end of there run in Winnipeg. Quite a range of values for both, but the belief if both stay, that possibly Dubois may want to look elsewhere when his team control is up. So there is basically zero certainties in Winnipeg these days, other than trades to a division rival unless it’s a large overpay wouldn’t be done.
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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      Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
      Pierre-Luc Dubois starts with Newhook and Byram not Girard. And there's no freaking way Erik Johnson is waiving for Buffalo.


      See my other post above for the Newhook/Byram comment ^

      I admit its unlikely EJ waives for BUF but thats a pretty common trade Ive seen in AGM. BUF fans seem willing to give EJ a pretty decent extension to play with Owen Power for the next couple years and the team seems to be turning a corner so it could be a more desirable destination than we think. He'd also get to play a bigger role (would pretty much never be healthy scratched) and would likely get to play regularly with Power or Dahlin, both #1 overall picks. Also depending on how this postseason goes he may be ok with going to a worse team after (ie if COL wins a cup)
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: tstrauss16
      Gonna be tough signing MacKinnon with PLD on the books


      Yeah it will but I think its better to go all in for a cup while MacKinnon is still cheap. They can always make more moves later to clear cap space and sign MacKinnon

      Maybe instead of Mikheyev they could find someone else to sign a 1 year deal and then that cap space + Compher's 3.5M could go towards MacKinnon
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
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      Lmfao you’re gonna have to give up lots more than that to even sniff Dubois
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: rvadacc24
      Lmfao you’re gonna have to give up lots more than that to even sniff Dubois


      Did you even read the post? This isnt a final offer, just a base
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:15 p.m.
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      As others have said, Girard wouldn't start the conversation. Newhook might and maybe Byram, although Byram's concussion history makes that iffy.
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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      The Jets would justifiably ask for Newhook and that’s the end of the conversation for a number of reasons. One is obviously salary cap issues, a cost controlled Newhook at 50-60pts is worth so much more to COL than a $7M PLD at 70-80pts. Two, if you’re going to give PLD $7M AND trade assets for him why not just try and either convince Kadri to sign for something in that ball park or keep the assets and sign someone like Trochek for free.
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      Apr. 24, 2022 at 3:54 p.m.
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      Girard is the last thing we’d need or want.
      Why do people keep trying to trade us LHD when we need RHD and RHW?
      Research the other teams needs before posting your offers,.. saves useless trade proposals like this one
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
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      Quoting: Xqb15a
      The Jets would justifiably ask for Newhook and that’s the end of the conversation for a number of reasons. One is obviously salary cap issues, a cost controlled Newhook at 50-60pts is worth so much more to COL than a $7M PLD at 70-80pts. Two, if you’re going to give PLD $7M AND trade assets for him why not just try and either convince Kadri to sign for something in that ball park or keep the assets and sign someone like Trochek for free.


      I agree on Newhook, I wrote something similar in one of my other comments above. Positionally I dont mind it cause Dubois would fill the same role Newhook would, but cap wise it doesnt really work. If WPG wants futures instead I suggested a 3 way with LAK where Girard is flipped for Turcotte++, then COL could also add something directly to WPG on top of Girard

      The age difference between Dubois and Trocheck/Kadri is the biggest reason. Dubois can be given a 7 year deal at age 24 and you dont really have to worry about a huge age related decline in play. You cant really say the same for Kadri or Trocheck since long term deals will take them to their mid-late 30s. If you can convince them to sign short term then great, but in UFA someone will pretty much always give term and itll come back to bite them later. I also dont think Kadri will repeat his success this season (seems like a 1 time contract year kinda thing, plus he has a high on ice shooting %). Trocheck is also just not as good as Dubois or Kadri
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.
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      I think for his next pay day he still wants to be in his prime so he gets a pay raise similar to Kirill Kaprizov
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 4:05 p.m.
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      And Friedman isn’t the most reliable analyst in fact I’d say no Sportsnet analyst is very reliable
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 4:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: BatVader
      Girard is the last thing we’d need or want.
      Why do people keep trying to trade us LHD when we need RHD and RHW?
      Research the other teams needs before posting your offers,.. saves useless trade proposals like this one


      Girard can play both sides or could be flipped for futures

      Part of the reason for this post was to get feedback on a potential return, im not saying this is a final offer - its just a suggestion. Most WPG fans were pretty nice about it instead of calling the post useless
      Apr. 24, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.
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      Quoting: UpsideDownQue
      Girard can play both sides or could be flipped for futures

      Part of the reason for this post was to get feedback on a potential return, im not saying this is a final offer - its just a suggestion. Most WPG fans were pretty nice about it instead of calling the post useless


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