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Price and Weber Retire

Created by: jonh514
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 25, 2022
Published: Apr. 25, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Description
The premise here is that both Price & Weber retire and their salary comes off the cap giving the GM a clear direction and room to maneuver.

*** Since there is no way to remove a salary in Armchair GM - I traded them to Arizona. This is them retiring so please don't bite my head off for trading them to the Yotes' for nothing ***

Retiring:

-Weber (Knee & Foot)
-Price (Knee)

Buyouts:

-Drouin (Has become a distraction)

Trades:

-Petry (Get's his wish to move closer to his wife's family)
-Hoffman (Helps Seattle score some goals while they build their assets)
-Armia (Major Cap Dump)

Promotions:

-RHP (Gallagher 2.0)
-Ylonen (He looked good this year)
-Pezzetta (We love you Freak!)
-Schueneman (He looked good this year)

UFA Signings:

-Forsberg
-Letang
-Wideman (To give Barron, Guhle, Harris the chance to play in the AHL to start the year)

Draft:

-Wright
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Primeau, Cayden3$1,000,000
Montembeault, Samuel3$1,000,000
Pezzetta, Michael3$1,000,000
Pitlick, Rem3$2,300,000
Romanov, Alexander4$3,500,000
Schueneman, Corey2$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Letang, Kris4$8,500,000
Forsberg, Filip7$9,000,000
Wideman, Chris2$1,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Wright, Shane3$925,000
Trades
1.
MTL
ARI
  1. Price, Carey
  2. Weber, Shea
Additional Details:
Using Arizona as a placeholder here. Price & Weber retire, they are NOT traded to the Yotes' for nothing so don't bite my head off!
2.
MTL
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (DAL)
Additional Details:
Petry gets his wish and moves near to his wife's family home
DAL
  1. Petry, Jeff
Additional Details:
Dallas replaces RD they lost in offseason
3.
MTL
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
Habs cut ties with a player that does not play the speedy style they are looking for and get some cap relief in the process
SEA
  1. Hoffman, Mike
Additional Details:
Seattle get a decent scoring winger on a short term deal
4.
MTL
    Columbus gets a player they've been interested in for a while plus some picks
    CBJ
    1. Armia, Joel
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (DAL)
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
    Additional Details:
    Habs pay big to dump Armia
    Buyouts
    • Karl Alzner: $833,333
    • Jonathan Drouin: $1,833,334
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Evgeni Dadonov: $2,500,000 (50%)
    • Nick Bonino: $1,025,000 (50%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2022
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    2023
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    2024
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$82,500,000$78,685,833$1,132,500$850,000$3,814,167
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Forsberg, Filip
    $9,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Suzuki, Nick
    $7,875,000
    C
    UFA - 8
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    Caufield, Cole
    $880,833
    LW
    RFA - 1
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    Pitlick, Rem
    $2,300,000
    LW, C, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Dvorak, Christian
    $4,450,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Anderson, Josh
    $5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 5
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    Poehling, Ryan
    $750,000
    LW, C
    RFA - 1
    Wright, Shane
    $925,000
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    Gallagher, Brendan
    $6,500,000
    RW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 5
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    Byron, Paul
    $3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
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    Evans, Jake
    $1,700,000
    C
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Ylönen, Jesse
    $880,833
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Pezzetta, Michael
    $1,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël
    $825,000
    LW
    RFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Romanov, Alexander
    $3,500,000
    LD
    RFA - 3
    Letang, Kris
    $8,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Allen, Jake
    $2,875,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Edmundson, Joel
    $3,500,000
    LD/RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Savard, David
    $3,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Montembeault, Samuel
    $1,000,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Schueneman, Corey
    $1,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    Wideman, Chris
    $1,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.
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    The description makes it sound like you think they’re retiring, rather than going on LTIR.

    0% chance that happens. I think that would cost Price 31.25M, and Weber, 6M. They aren’t doing that. There is a chance that neither play again and spend the next four years on LTIR, but LTIR doesn’t exactly equate to “free cap space.” It can be used, so it is very useful, but it isn’t exactly the same.
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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:30 p.m.
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    With $8M in cap space It'd be wiser to just keep Armia and keep those picks, and maybe buyout the next offseason
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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:37 p.m.
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    Petry's wife is from Houston nowhere near Dallas. His wife and kids are staying in the Detroit area so he's not waiving to be 1,000 miles from his main home. His wife has lived in Michigan for over 17 years now. Michigan is home for her not Texas anymore.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    The description makes it sound like you think they’re retiring, rather than going on LTIR.

    0% chance that happens. I think that would cost Price 31.25M, and Weber, 6M. They aren’t doing that. There is a chance that neither play again and spend the next four years on LTIR, but LTIR doesn’t exactly equate to “free cap space.” It can be used, so it is very useful, but it isn’t exactly the same.


    LTIRetirement will also not work for the Habs with both or even just Price. Since you can only be over the cap by 10% in the offseason (8.25 this year) you would have a team cap of about 72 million not 82.5 million if both wound up on LTIR. And that is before accounting for any bonuses from this year that will roll over.
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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: AirmanSD
    LTIRetirement will also not work for the Habs with both or even just Price. Since you can only be over the cap by 10% in the offseason (8.25 this year) you would have a team cap of about 72 million not 82.5 million if both wound up on LTIR. And that is before accounting for any bonuses from this year that will roll over.


    Spot on. Though didn’t it used to be 15%
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:48 p.m.
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    Spot on. Though didn’t it used to be 15%


    From CapFriendly's LTIR FAQ's :

    Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
    Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
    Petry's wife is from Houston nowhere near Dallas. His wife and kids are staying in the Detroit area so he's not waiving to be 1,000 miles from his main home. His wife has lived in Michigan for over 17 years now. Michigan is home for her not Texas anymore.


    Well, she lived in MTL for the last 7 years, so she could follow her husband in any US city...
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
    Petry's wife is from Houston nowhere near Dallas. His wife and kids are staying in the Detroit area so he's not waiving to be 1,000 miles from his main home. His wife has lived in Michigan for over 17 years now. Michigan is home for her not Texas anymore.


    Trade to Detroit seems incredibly unlikely. Houston is as close as they will get and of course the kids can always change schools and they can visit the grandparents on the weekends or whatnot. All players make these sacrifices. She just wanted to get away from Canada.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: SevenLeg
    With $8M in cap space It'd be wiser to just keep Armia and keep those picks, and maybe buyout the next offseason


    That's a great point. As long as he doesn't become a distraction.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: LIRIK
    Well, she lived in MTL for the last 7 years, so she could follow her husband in any US city...


    I don't think she is against him continuing to play. She's probably committed to follow him anywhere in the US.
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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
    Petry's wife is from Houston nowhere near Dallas. His wife and kids are staying in the Detroit area so he's not waiving to be 1,000 miles from his main home. His wife has lived in Michigan for over 17 years now. Michigan is home for her not Texas anymore.


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    Trade to Detroit seems incredibly unlikely. Houston is as close as they will get and of course the kids can always change schools and they can visit the grandparents on the weekends or whatnot. All players make these sacrifices. She just wanted to get away from Canada.


    He's been saying that same sentence for the last 6 months. Petry will be traded to a team not on his 15 no trade list, and his family will follow him to that city, like they did for MTL.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: AirmanSD
    LTIRetirement will also not work for the Habs with both or even just Price. Since you can only be over the cap by 10% in the offseason (8.25 this year) you would have a team cap of about 72 million not 82.5 million if both wound up on LTIR. And that is before accounting for any bonuses from this year that will roll over.


    Sure teams are supposed to be just 10% over the cap, but I'm guessing that is for active players. The had 5.25m Lupul and 5.25 on LTIR, that was 10.5m when the cap much lower. The Leafs still had signed players that played...andwherf very close to the cap for years.. Teams certainly aren't handcuffed by the cap if they have LTIR players

    You're correct about the bonuses, when a team is able to pay them is affected by the usage of LTIR.

    But here on CF. so many think short term LTIR or retirement is the fix to help a teams cap.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: jonh514
    I don't think she is against him continuing to play. She's probably committed to follow him anywhere in the US.


    Yea, that's what i said too.
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    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
    Petry's wife is from Houston nowhere near Dallas. His wife and kids are staying in the Detroit area so he's not waiving to be 1,000 miles from his main home. His wife has lived in Michigan for over 17 years now. Michigan is home for her not Texas anymore.


    Houston is a lot closer to Dallas than Montreal is to Detroit, why wouldn't they just move back to Texas? No where has it ever said that the Petry's wouldn't buy a new in season home where ever Jeff was traded. In fact by all reports Petry's request is to go to ANY American team. Now he likely doesn't waive for rebuilding teams like Arizona or Buffalo or Chicago but he really does not care beyond that.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    The description makes it sound like you think they’re retiring, rather than going on LTIR.

    0% chance that happens. I think that would cost Price 31.25M, and Weber, 6M. They aren’t doing that. There is a chance that neither play again and spend the next four years on LTIR, but LTIR doesn’t exactly equate to “free cap space.” It can be used, so it is very useful, but it isn’t exactly the same.


    There's gotta be some rule about it. If the player can no longer play can they really sit in LTIR? Don't they have to be approved each year?
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 6:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: jonh514
    Trade to Detroit seems incredibly unlikely. Houston is as close as they will get and of course the kids can always change schools and they can visit the grandparents on the weekends or whatnot. All players make these sacrifices. She just wanted to get away from Canada.


    She's away from Canada living in the Detroit area where she's been for 17 years. I'm pretty sure she has no desire to move back to Texas for 3 years when their main home is in Michigan where Jeff grew up.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Spot on. Though didn’t it used to be 15%


    I'll admit I'm confused about this. If the player has no hope to continue to play, does the league have a history of approving their LTIR just to appease the PA?
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
    She's away from Canada living in the Detroit area where she's been for 17 years. I'm pretty sure she has no desire to move back to Texas for 3 years when their main home is in Michigan where Jeff grew up.


    I'm just gonna respectfully say that I disagree with your premise and leave it at that. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. We'll know in a few months.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: jonh514
    I'll admit I'm confused about this. If the player has no hope to continue to play, does the league have a history of approving their LTIR just to appease the PA?


    They can approve the LTIR, but there is an upper limit to the LTIR/bonus cushion. LTIR and the bonus cushion allows teams to exceed the cap by a certain amount. The other poster seemed to think it was 10%, and I have no real reason to think he’s wrong, though I’m pretty sure it used to be 15%. So if the cap is 82.5M next season, a teams limit on LTIR/bonus that they can exceed the cap by is 8.25M. Price is more than that, so it would only provide partial relief. I think it makes more sense that the actual number is 15%.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: jonh514
    There's gotta be some rule about it. If the player can no longer play can they really sit in LTIR? Don't they have to be approved each year?


    I guess I don’t really know what you’re asking here. Yes, a player can go on LTIR if they can’t play. But LTIR isn’t unlimited cap space.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: AirmanSD
    From CapFriendly's LTIR FAQ's :

    Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
    Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.


    Thats for the off-season though.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    I guess I don’t really know what you’re asking here. Yes, a player can go on LTIR if they can’t play. But LTIR isn’t unlimited cap space.


    Sorry, I'll clarify: When a team submits a player to LTIR, doesn't this kick off an approval process that the league evaluates on a case by case basis? In those scenarios, does the league always approve to appease the PA?
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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    Sure teams are supposed to be just 10% over the cap, but I'm guessing that is for active players. The had 5.25m Lupul and 5.25 on LTIR, that was 10.5m when the cap much lower. The Leafs still had signed players that played...andwherf very close to the cap for years.. Teams certainly aren't handcuffed by the cap if they have LTIR players

    You're correct about the bonuses, when a team is able to pay them is affected by the usage of LTIR.

    But here on CF. so many think short term LTIR or retirement is the fix to help a teams cap.



    That started for the Leafs in 16-17 and they only used 63,299 in LTIR they simply had a very cheap team that year. Then they used 5,763,198 in 17-18, so they never came close to the 10% LTIR cap.
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    They can approve the LTIR, but there is an upper limit to the LTIR/bonus cushion. LTIR and the bonus cushion allows teams to exceed the cap by a certain amount. The other poster seemed to think it was 10%, and I have no real reason to think he’s wrong, though I’m pretty sure it used to be 15%. So if the cap is 82.5M next season, a teams limit on LTIR/bonus that they can exceed the cap by is 8.25M. Price is more than that, so it would only provide partial relief. I think it makes more sense that the actual number is 15%.


    Once again what I'm asking is: why do you assume the LTIR solution is possible. You are assuming the league will approve all LTIR requests, I am wondering what you are basing that on?
    Apr. 25, 2022 at 7:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Thats for the off-season though.


    There is no limit in season as far as I can tell. Hence the 17 million over the cap for the Lighting last season.
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