Caps pass. If they are moving a good young goalie and a 2nd they better get a good younger goalie in return. Price isn't worth 1 year of 35yo Varly.

Ovi is getting older and now is the time to win. while it is not smart long-term, it is what I could see a team doing.

i like this but i think that may be a little to much for dobson

hard to find the combo between his value and what we will get. I think he is a future Norris winner and I am truly willing to pay whatever we have to in order to get him here for 8 years. Could be just me tho

I wouldn’t do this as Washington. Vanacek will be cheaper, is a lot younger, and has been the better goaltender. Really doesn’t make much sense for them

They could just sign Husso or Kuemper in UFA for long term and not lose VV or a 2nd.

while I agree, this is me thinking about how much teams value players. Varlamov was a vezina finalist like a year ago. would not surprise me to see a team overpay for him. look at what MAF got

If Dobson is willing to take 7 mill for 8 years II’d do that in a heartbeat. He’ll want 9+ mill in 2-3 years

Need to fire Trotz if you want Burakovsky on the isles lol

Fleury got a 2nd (can be a 1st but that’s if Minnesota goes far) coming off an actual Vezina and half retained. This is a 2nd from a worse team and a solid young goaltender

I can’t imagine Dobson ever asking for 9+. He won’t be a top 10 d man like the guys who got paid 9+ are considered by their teams (even tho I wouldn’t call Werenski, Nurse, or Jones top 10 d man at all). Now maybe if Dobson plays 24+ mins a night and keeps up his production he can ask for that; but I doubt he’ll play that much for a long time, especially with Pulock and Pelech taking a ton of the minutes

Fleury also did not deserve to win it last year and was arguably not even top 5. Pretty shocking. I just think that teams value goalies in weird ways and its based a lot off of track record. this is also my dream, not realistic

I think he’ll have a few years in his prime where he’s top 10, but for the majority of it he’ll be a top 15-20 Caliber D.

Dobson usually plays more than Pelech +Pulock.

Lekkerimäki won't be available at 23. But the Ducks would never do this anyway, literally no reason to do that. And the highest possible position where Colorado's pick could end up, as of now, is 59.

correct but witht he conditions of the two 2nds the islanders own, it will be theirs. it is super complex idek how its working out rn

Didn't think about that.

But the Ducks still don't have any interest in this.

They're both similar goalies this year - both have a .910 SV%, Vanecek has 3.3 GSAA and Varlamov has 3.0, and Vitek's 2.60 GAA is better than Varly's 2.98(slightly inflated by some garbage starts when he was coming back from injury in November.) I'd call that a wash.

Vanecek is younger but is done being super cheap this offseason - I assume he probably pushes the $2M range on a contract next year. I think you can also counter that value with Varlamov having a much longer track record of success (Vezina finalist last year, 533 career starts vs. 74) and, what I would think is most important to the Caps, his playoff success (33 starts in the last 2 postseasons with a .922 SV% and 2.31 GAA). If the Caps want to make one more run with the Ovechkin core, I think Varlamov is a better bet than either Samsonov or Vanececk.

There's also the intangible benefit of sending out Vanecek and bringing in Varlamov - not sure how much national play it gets, but it's been discussed at length in the Islanders world about how good Varly has been helping Ilya Sorokin adjust to coming over from Russia. I know Samsonov has been over for a couple of seasons already, but it can't help to see if bringing in a mentor who knows about the difficulties of being both a Russian in America and all the voodoo around being a goalie helps Ilya unlock a little more from his game.

As someone who slanders Fleury a bit for his career, he definitely deserved it last year, or at least a top 2 placement. He led the league in GSAX, and was right up there in save percentage

I could definitely see him becoming that caliber, I just think 9 mil is too much for that level of d man. A 9 mil d man I would only consider the top 7 or so in the league. As for his time on ice, I assumed that Pulock and Pelech played more, but I checked and yes it’s around the same, my mistake

Yeah they’re roughly the same level of play this year, but by next year that could very well change as Varlamov gets older and Vanacek is still in the prime ages. As for the contract, Vanacek could push around 3-3.5 mil with some term; which isn’t necessarily cheap, but it is still 1.5-2 mil less than what Varlamov is making here. The intangibles part you mention are a good point; but at the same time I don’t think they’re exactly worth giving up the more valuable asset as a goalie itself plus the pick. I could see a 1 for 1 tho, or something where Varlamov has retained salary

Young Dmen who play in all situations and put up 50 points usually get in the 9 mil range. Right now Dobson is a 7.5-8 mill caliber defenseman but the market is crazy for D and when the cap skyrockets in 2-3 years that’s what he’ll ask for.

Ah, I forgot to include that - I do agree that I think Varlamov for Vanecek AND a 2nd is a bit unbalanced. I think you could put a pick swap in there instead and have it even out better (say washington gets NYI's 3rd for their 2nd or something, I dunno)

Those two second rounders each have a very similar likelihood of panning out when compared to the 23rd overall.

The young d men who have been given 9+ mil are Makar, McAvoy, Fox, and Werenski. Dobson is at least a tier below the worst of those guys as of rn (Werenski), and he’s far behind Makar, McAvoy, and Fox

Makar/McAvoy/Fox are top of the heap D in the NHL right now, so I'm not too upset about Dobson not being ranked with them. I'd argue he's had a better year than Werenski this year - both have scored 48 points, and Dom@the Athletic ranks Dobson's impact & value above Werenski's in his analytic model. I know that we'd all want to see him do it again next year, but it really does feel like he's poised to make the leap into that top tier next season if he keeps progressing the way he has. With the cap starting to creep back up over the next couple years, I wouldn't be upset with him eventually hitting that $9M AAV. I'd prefer locking him in now but I can understand if -he- would want to take the bridge deal and try and prove he's worth that kinda deal a couple years from now.