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May 1, 2022 at 3:38 p.m.
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Why do you want Samsonov ?

Seattle aren’t trading a good depth dman for freaking Mike Hoffman
May 1, 2022 at 4:47 p.m.
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I'm a Habs fan, and I don't see Samsonov having a bounce back with this D in front of him. No real reason to go for him.

Hoffman's value is at an all time low - Seattle would want a young Defence prospect at minimum added on to consider this. Not Norlinder either.
May 1, 2022 at 6:34 p.m.
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Caps will hold on to Sammy for that price.
May 1, 2022 at 7:04 p.m.
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Edited May 1, 2022 at 7:47 p.m.
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I'm a Habs fan, and I don't see Samsonov having a bounce back with this D in front of him. No real reason to go for him.

Hoffman's value is at an all time low - Seattle would want a young Defence prospect at minimum added on to consider this. Not Norlinder either.


That D sucks. How would they help him bounce back? Edit - misread that 

Kadri will need more years and dollars, and if its in a canadian tax market, to a bottom feeder, its going to be even more.
May 1, 2022 at 7:05 p.m.
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Caps will hold on to Sammy for that price.

Why? He stinks.
May 1, 2022 at 7:07 p.m.
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Why? He stinks.


He doesn't. He does all the difficult things extremely well, it's the small things that screw him up. It's easy to get a goalie to get that part of their game together. Would be stupid to trade him away for nothing, him improve the small things, and become a top 5 goalie.
May 1, 2022 at 7:09 p.m.
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He doesn't. He does all the difficult things extremely well, it's the small things that screw him up. It's easy to get a goalie to get that part of their game together. Would be stupid to trade him away for nothing, him improve the small things, and become a top 5 goalie.


Bahahaha dude he’s horrible.

Is one of those, “small things,” preventing the puck from going in the net?
May 1, 2022 at 7:45 p.m.
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That D sucks. How would they help him bounce back?

Kadri will need more years and dollars, and if its in a canadian tax market, to a bottom feeder, its going to be even more.


Think you need to re-read what he wrote...
May 1, 2022 at 7:46 p.m.
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Think you need to re-read what he wrote...


Yup
May 1, 2022 at 10:01 p.m.
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Bahahaha dude he’s horrible.

Is one of those, “small things,” preventing the puck from going in the net?


I can see you don't play the position so not worth trying to explain it to you.
May 1, 2022 at 10:07 p.m.
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I can see you don't play the position so not worth trying to explain it to you.


And i can see you’ve got the whole blind loyalty thing going on. If you cant recognize a player on your favorite team stinks, what’s the point?

Like you have to be a goalie to understand a guy is terrible. Point night when he gets a start.
May 1, 2022 at 10:20 p.m.
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And i can see you’ve got the whole blind loyalty thing going on. If you cant recognize a player on your favorite team stinks, what’s the point?

Like you have to be a goalie to understand a guy is terrible. Point night when he gets a start.


Like I said, you don't understand the position, the nuances, what makes a goalie good or not. I don't blame you, lots of people don't understand the position. But just know if Sammy works on his tightness and East-West balance, he'll start tearing the league apart. But it really comes down to him and how hard he wants to work on it.
May 1, 2022 at 10:23 p.m.
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Like I said, you don't understand the position, the nuances, what makes a goalie good or not. I don't blame you, lots of people don't understand the position. But just know if Sammy works on his tightness and East-West balance, he'll start tearing the league apart. But it really comes down to him and how hard he wants to work on it.


Uhhh sure. If the 25 year old develops a totally different skill set he might become good instead of being bad. I guess i can’t disagree.

Right now samsonov stinks at saving shots from NHL players. That’s not good for a goalie.
May 1, 2022 at 10:43 p.m.
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Uhhh sure. If the 25 year old develops a totally different skill set he might become good instead of being bad. I guess i can’t disagree.

Right now samsonov stinks at saving shots from NHL players. That’s not good for a goalie.


Again, it's a work ethic thing. He has all the raw ability and does all the tough things right (thinking, athleticism, reads), it's literally the smallest things. We'll see what the Caps do with him this summer and if he wants to do it or just go back to Russia.
May 1, 2022 at 10:50 p.m.
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Again, it's a work ethic thing. He has all the raw ability and does all the tough things right (thinking, athleticism, reads), it's literally the smallest things. We'll see what the Caps do with him this summer and if he wants to do it or just go back to Russia.


Keeping the puck out of the net is a big thing.
May 2, 2022 at 8:55 a.m.
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Keeping the puck out of the net is a big thing.


Again, you don't understand how the position works. A LOT goes into just keeping the puck out.
May 2, 2022 at 9:02 a.m.
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Again, you don't understand how the position works. A LOT goes into just keeping the puck out.


Sure. And if someone was going to say that a goalie stinks because he gave up five goals in a game i would agree.

This sample size is not small. 89 games and he’s just been flat out bad. Whats the next excuse? Who are we blaming it on specifically? Don’t just say, “oh you wouldn’t understand,” because that’s lame. Is the goalie coach poisoning his Gatorade?

Do all the d men really like vanecek and hate samsonov, so they play better in front of him?
May 2, 2022 at 9:03 a.m.
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Keeping the puck out of the net is a big thing.


Well if you go back and watch many of his games you'll see a lot of this stuff is not his fault. In the last home game, which is a perfect example, he's screened on 2 of the 4 goals, once by Fehervary and once by Parise (because John Carlson may be the weakest defenseman in front of the net that the world has ever seen). Another goal was due to a strange pinball play off of Van Riemsdyk's stick, and the last one, while partially his fault, is more on the utter lack of communication by Orlov going behind the net (it was not obvious to anyone watching from home, you had to be in the arena to know Orlov wasn't communicating at all the entire play.

Also if you look some games he was pulled from, take the Edmonton game where he was pulled after the first period. It's another game where the dude gets left out to dry by defense, which happened most of the year. Those three goals were from a lack of defense on the 1st goal, when its sent to the front and Kuznetsov and Wilson covering back can't break up the pass, the second goal is on yet another screen by his own defense, and the third while again, partially on him, is also on the defenseman for dropping for no reason and allowing the best player in hockey to take all the time in the world.

(I could go back and find more examples, but these two games I remember vividly due to being at both of them)

Yes, Samsonov looks strange at times. The ways he makes some saves are unorthodox, but he is regularly in position and is rarely beat when the defense is at all competent. Unfortunately, only one pairing has truly been consistent. Orlov-Jensen has been by far the most consistent pairing of the year, with Fehervary-Carlson lacking any effort from Carlson most of the time, and the same goes with Schultz on the TVR-Schultz pairing. The Capitals fanbase as a whole are some of the hardest fans on goalies (mostly due to the fanbase being spoiled by elite goaltending for the last 10 years and then before that with Ollie the Goalie), and Vanecek and Samsonov have gotten their fair share of criticism and then some, but I don't think people are looking enough into how many of these games have been on defensive eff ups.
May 2, 2022 at 9:09 a.m.
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Well if you go back and watch many of his games you'll see a lot of this stuff is not his fault. In the last home game, which is a perfect example, he's screened on 2 of the 4 goals, once by Fehervary and once by Parise (because John Carlson may be the weakest defenseman in front of the net that the world has ever seen). Another goal was due to a strange pinball play off of Van Riemsdyk's stick, and the last one, while partially his fault, is more on the utter lack of communication by Orlov going behind the net (it was not obvious to anyone watching from home, you had to be in the arena to know Orlov wasn't communicating at all the entire play.

Also if you look some games he was pulled from, take the Edmonton game where he was pulled after the first period. It's another game where the dude gets left out to dry by defense, which happened most of the year. Those three goals were from a lack of defense on the 1st goal, when its sent to the front and Kuznetsov and Wilson covering back can't break up the pass, the second goal is on yet another screen by his own defense, and the third while again, partially on him, is also on the defenseman for dropping for no reason and allowing the best player in hockey to take all the time in the world.

(I could go back and find more examples, but these two games I remember vividly due to being at both of them)

Yes, Samsonov looks strange at times. The ways he makes some saves are unorthodox, but he is regularly in position and is rarely beat when the defense is at all competent. Unfortunately, only one pairing has truly been consistent. Orlov-Jensen has been by far the most consistent pairing of the year, with Fehervary-Carlson lacking any effort from Carlson most of the time, and the same goes with Schultz on the TVR-Schultz pairing. The Capitals fanbase as a whole are some of the hardest fans on goalies (mostly due to the fanbase being spoiled by elite goaltending for the last 10 years and then before that with Ollie the Goalie), and Vanecek and Samsonov have gotten their fair share of criticism and then some, but I don't think people are looking enough into how many of these games have been on defensive eff ups.


Do you think that kind of stuff only happens in DC? Goalies get screened. Weird bounces happen. I don’t care about one game, i care about the entire body of work. The stuff your talking about happens to every team, and every goalie in the NHL. Not all of them are 75th in NHL save percentage.
May 2, 2022 at 9:28 a.m.
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Do you think that kind of stuff only happens in DC? Goalies get screened. Weird bounces happen. I don’t care about one game, i care about the entire body of work. The stuff your talking about happens to every team, and every goalie in the NHL. Not all of them are 75th in NHL save percentage.


Well clearly not. Off the top of my head, this hasn't been an issue for the Kings, the Red Wings, the Lightning, and others off the top of my head. Those teams actually make an effort to move players out of shooting lanes, and attempt to actually break up passes every once and a while. People are quick to forget the giant win streak Samsonov had last year, as well as his solid (minus one error) performance against Boston in the playoffs. He's had some of the worst defensive defenseman in front of him over his time here, namely guys who play offense but not defense (Schultz, Carlson, Cholowski for a few games), aging veterans who struggle to keep up (Chara, Orpik), middling defenseman that struggle to stay consistent or just flat out suck (Bowey, pre 2021 Jensen), physical defenseman who get lost in plays (Dillon), and 3rd pairing defenseman who are given too much of a workload (TvR). That isn't a recipe for success for any goalie, as even the Vasilevskiys and the Sheshterkins can only go so much with a defense that can't extricate it's head from it's ass.

More games that Samsonov was unfairly blamed for include the 5-3 loss against Toronto, 4-3 win against Florida, 7-5 Win against Ottawa, 4-1 loss vs San Jose, and plenty of other games. If you look at these games, you can see a trend of blame towards Samsonov despite defense being the main culprit for almost every goal. If you actually study his play (which I get that few people would want to devote their free time to), you can see that he's in position almost all of the time, and his recovery ability when he isn't in position allows him to at least be somewhat prepped for a shot to arrive.
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May 2, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.
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Well clearly not. Off the top of my head, this hasn't been an issue for the Kings, the Red Wings, the Lightning, and others off the top of my head. Those teams actually make an effort to move players out of shooting lanes, and attempt to actually break up passes every once and a while. People are quick to forget the giant win streak Samsonov had last year, as well as his solid (minus one error) performance against Boston in the playoffs. He's had some of the worst defensive defenseman in front of him over his time here, namely guys who play offense but not defense (Schultz, Carlson, Cholowski for a few games), aging veterans who struggle to keep up (Chara, Orpik), middling defenseman that struggle to stay consistent or just flat out suck (Bowey, pre 2021 Jensen), physical defenseman who get lost in plays (Dillon), and 3rd pairing defenseman who are given too much of a workload (TvR). That isn't a recipe for success for any goalie, as even the Vasilevskiys and the Sheshterkins can only go so much with a defense that can't extricate it's head from it's ass.

More games that Samsonov was unfairly blamed for include the 5-3 loss against Toronto, 4-3 win against Florida, 7-5 Win against Ottawa, 4-1 loss vs San Jose, and plenty of other games. If you look at these games, you can see a trend of blame towards Samsonov despite defense being the main culprit for almost every goal. If you actually study his play (which I get that few people would want to devote their free time to), you can see that he's in position almost all of the time, and his recovery ability when he isn't in position allows him to at least be somewhat prepped for a shot to arrive.


He was brutal against boston in the playoffs.

Again, i don’t care about this game, or that game. You don’t need to tell me about some 5-3 loss to toronto. I don’t care and you’re missing the point. He’s got about 90 games to his body of work, and over those 90 games, he has sucked. With his current level of play, he is not an NHL caliber goalie.
May 2, 2022 at 10:11 a.m.
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He was brutal against boston in the playoffs.

Again, i don’t care about this game, or that game. You don’t need to tell me about some 5-3 loss to toronto. I don’t care and you’re missing the point. He’s got about 90 games to his body of work, and over those 90 games, he has sucked. With his current level of play, he is not an NHL caliber goalie.


Anybody other than Bruins fans would care to disagree. He had the issue behind the net but was the only reason the caps were even alive for those games. The entire team was hurt or underperforming, and he was the thing to keep the games competitive.

If you were to actually look at the games that occur, you could realize that you are wrong on this. Context is important, and when you look at his actual play from something other than a box score, the defense he is given on a regular basis, and his actual positioning, you would be able to see what I'm referring to. Just simply looking at 90 games plainly on a score sheet while factoring none of this in isn't a good way to go about this. With his current level of play, he is the reason this isn't 10 times worse.
May 2, 2022 at 10:14 a.m.
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Anybody other than Bruins fans would care to disagree. He had the issue behind the net but was the only reason the caps were even alive for those games. The entire team was hurt or underperforming, and he was the thing to keep the games competitive.

If you were to actually look at the games that occur, you could realize that you are wrong on this. Context is important, and when you look at his actual play from something other than a box score, the defense he is given on a regular basis, and his actual positioning, you would be able to see what I'm referring to. Just simply looking at 90 games plainly on a score sheet while factoring none of this in isn't a good way to go about this. With his current level of play, he is the reason this isn't 10 times worse.


Lol, do you think i didn’t watch those bruins playoff games? Seriously? I saw them dude. Samsonov is terrible. Point night when he’s in there. Congrats on the the three starts, three losses, 3+ GAA and sub .900 SV% for your boy though. World class performance.
May 2, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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Lol, do you think i didn’t watch those bruins playoff games? Seriously? I saw them dude. Samsonov is terrible. Point night when he’s in there. Congrats on the the three starts, three losses, 3+ GAA and sub .900 SV% for your boy though. World class performance.


Clearly you chose to ignore that Boston was in the offensive zone, scored almost entirely power play goals in game 4, second chance opportunities when defense failed to clear out rebounds in front, and 1-0s from defensive failures. Samsonov made 40 and 33 saves in games 3 and 4, and was the reason those games were anywhere near competitive and not blowouts. Game 5 is the only one you can say was quite bad for him, and that came as the rest of the Capitals had very clearly given up. He did his best to try and keep the caps in the game, but getting shelled in his last two games, combined with poor defense and a lack of care from Washington, led to a bad performance. That series is yet another example of the Capitals doing nothing to support their goalie, giving up easy PP chances (reminiscent of NYI's power play goal in the last home game), letting players walk on by them, and a failure to cover open players when needed.
May 2, 2022 at 10:34 a.m.
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Clearly you chose to ignore that Boston was in the offensive zone, scored almost entirely power play goals in game 4, second chance opportunities when defense failed to clear out rebounds in front, and 1-0s from defensive failures. Samsonov made 40 and 33 saves in games 3 and 4, and was the reason those games were anywhere near competitive and not blowouts. Game 5 is the only one you can say was quite bad for him, and that came as the rest of the Capitals had very clearly given up. He did his best to try and keep the caps in the game, but getting shelled in his last two games, combined with poor defense and a lack of care from Washington, led to a bad performance. That series is yet another example of the Capitals doing nothing to support their goalie, giving up easy PP chances (reminiscent of NYI's power play goal in the last home game), letting players walk on by them, and a failure to cover open players when needed.


You’re an apologist. Time to call a spade a spade…he stinks.

But by all means, if you want to keep him, keep watching losing hockey.
 
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