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Created by: ReelBigFan

Team: 2022-23 Philadelphia Flyers

Initial Creation Date: May 20, 2022

Published: May 20, 2022

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Okay, so I made a team a few days ago and suggested Hayes to Boston (depending on what happens there) because I thought it would be a feel good story.

User CMcAvoy73, who we all probably have come in contact with at one point tried to say Hayes has negative value because he believes Hayes to be a power forward.

At first I thought it was a joke, but he seems serious enough to have insulted my intelligence for suggesting that he is a 2-way forward.

So take this poll.

Is Hayes, a man who averages under a hit a game, who has less than 200 PIMs in over 500 games, a man who has never had a single fight in his NHL career, a man who has more take aways than giveaways, a man who plays the PK, a man with a high Hockey IQ…. A power forward, or is he a 2-way forward

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BOS

Hayes, Kevin

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Ilya Bryzgalov: $0

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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2024

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
19	$81,500,000	$67,713,583	$295,000	$2,387,500	$13,786,417

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
van Riemsdyk, James $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1		Atkinson, Cam $5,875,000$5,875,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
Lindblom, Oskar $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Laughton, Scott $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, LW UFA - 4	Konecny, Travis $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Farabee, Joel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 6	Brown, Patrick $750,000$750,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Brink, Bobby $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RW RFA - 2
Cates, Noah $925,000$925,000 ($425,000$425K) C, LW RFA - 1	Couturier, Sean $7,750,000$7,750,000 C NMC UFA - 8

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $4,725,000$4,725,000 LD UFA - 3	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,100,000$5,100,000 RD UFA - 5	Hart, Carter $3,979,000$3,979,000 G RFA - 2
Sanheim, Travis $4,675,000$4,675,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Attard, Ronnie $883,750$883,750 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Fedotov, Ivan $925,000$925,000 ($175,000$175K) G UFA - 2
York, Cam $880,833$880,833 ($725,000$725K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000$6,250,000 RD UFA - 5
Seeler, Nick $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Hayes

May 20, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.

#26

phillyjabroni

Joined: Mar. 2017

Posts: 10,392

Likes: 2,885

Quoting: hanson493

in terms of what he brings on the ice his value isnt what his contract is paying him. its in the 5.75-6 range. hes about 1.2m-1.5m overpaid per year. which as you said isnt the worst. but realistically he is.

that being said he hit the market at the right time and capitalized. cant blame him for getting the contract. in a vacuum hypothetical stance... would you rather schenn at 6.5m signed through age 37 with a replacement winger? or hayes at 7.1 signed through 34 and frost/farabee? personally i take the better center in schenn and try and get a legit winger elsewhere.

Yeah he's not "worth" the 7.14M and is probably closer to the 5.5-6M range. But at the time, the Flyers' 2C was Nolan Patrick (lmaooo) and the needed secondary scoring and someone who could fill that role. I wasn't and I'm not losing sleep over paying Hayes an extra 3% of the salary cap to have him versus having that on some spare forward.

I'd rather have Hayes + Farabee than Schenn through 37yo. Flyers issues stem wayyyy deeper than overpaying for a 2C but I just hate how he gets clowned and Fletcher gets clowned for that deal. They woulda had a real shot to contend in 2019-20 if not for COVID and Hayes was a crucial part to that team. Sucks that it didn't pan out and now they are looking at tearing it all down.

May 20, 2022 at 9:07 p.m.

#27

hanson493

Joined: Jun. 2019

Posts: 5,617

Likes: 2,763

Quoting: phillyjabroni

this is semantics but 19-20 it was boston, tampa or philly. and i liked bostons odds alot more than i liked philly's that year. they were an absolute wagon. Tampa was saved by the covid outburst. boston was ruined by it.

its not just schenn though. its schenn and a replacement winger. but idk i feel like hayes isnt going to age well while schenn will age fine. just a gut feeling. nothing that i can use to back that up.

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