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Whats the price of Matt Roy

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    May 20 at 12:07 p.m.
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    Something you wouldn't like.

    If I were Kings GM I wouldn't take anything less than Knies++.
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    May 20 at 12:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Something you wouldn't like.

    If I were Kings GM I wouldn't take anything less than Knies++.


    You can keep him if that's the cost.
    May 20 at 12:11 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Something you wouldn't like.

    If I were Kings GM I wouldn't take anything less than Knies++.


    Ok then you can keep him cause that isn’t worth it
    May 20 at 12:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ritzy
    You can keep him if that's the cost.


    Haha fine by LA.

    But the going rate for a top-pairing defenseman (which is what he'd be on Toronto) is going to be a teams top prospect and a pick at least.

    There are interesting roster players on Toronto, like Nylander, but I can't see the Kings looking to hamstring their cap flexibility like that. And Knies brings in the added bonuses of

    1) Having ties with Brock Faber, who the Kings are going to try desperately to sign after his junior year so they don't risk the college loophole and

    2) Being a near NHL-ready winger that can -hopefully- contribute in the middle-top 6 right away. But that risk there is why a pick would need to be added.

    So Knies+ is my answer.
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    May 20 at 12:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Haha fine by LA.

    But the going rate for a top-pairing defenseman (which is what he'd be on Toronto) is going to be a teams top prospect and a pick at least.

    There are interesting roster players on Toronto, like Nylander, but I can't see the Kings looking to hamstring their cap flexibility like that. And Knies brings in the added bonuses of

    1) Having ties with Brock Faber, who the Kings are going to try desperately to sign after his junior year so they don't risk the college loophole and

    2) Being a near NHL-ready winger that can -hopefully- contribute in the middle-top 6 right away. But that risk there is why a pick would need to be added.

    So Knies+ is my answer.


    I'm sorry, did Matt Roy turn into Chris Pronger this season?
    May 20 at 1:10 p.m.
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    Matt Roy is not available until Faber is in the NHL with a season under his belt. They have no one that can fill his spot right now. Durzi and Spence are both defensively suspect and are replacements for Walker, not Roy.

    Roy's value is probably a late 1st round pick, but they're not ready to move him yet. He currently provides more value to the Kings than anything they could trade him for.
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    May 20 at 1:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Something you wouldn't like.

    If I were Kings GM I wouldn't take anything less than Knies++.


    LOL keep him then, U guys like habs fans now overpricing players??
    May 20 at 1:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
    I'm sorry, did Matt Roy turn into Chris Pronger this season?


    Muzzin was a 1st and 2 prospects. I think Knies and a 2nd/3rd is fair value. Roy is at a similar age/usage as Muzzin was when he was traded. He has less offensive value than Muzz did, but more defensive value.

    Like I said, it's something Leafs fans wouldn't like.
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    May 20 at 1:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Haha fine by LA.

    But the going rate for a top-pairing defenseman (which is what he'd be on Toronto) is going to be a teams top prospect and a pick at least.

    There are interesting roster players on Toronto, like Nylander, but I can't see the Kings looking to hamstring their cap flexibility like that. And Knies brings in the added bonuses of

    1) Having ties with Brock Faber, who the Kings are going to try desperately to sign after his junior year so they don't risk the college loophole and

    2) Being a near NHL-ready winger that can -hopefully- contribute in the middle-top 6 right away. But that risk there is why a pick would need to be added.

    So Knies+ is my answer.


    a teams top prospect? how can you answer that, like all teams top prospect are the same. a good prospect, sure. a teams top prospect, no way.
    May 20 at 2:01 p.m.
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    Quoting: drambui
    a teams top prospect? how can you answer that, like all teams top prospect are the same. a good prospect, sure. a teams top prospect, no way.


    So by that Logic Owen Power,Matthew Beniers, Hell Shane Wright is what Matt Roy is worth
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    May 20 at 2:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Matt Roy is not available until Faber is in the NHL with a season under his belt. They have no one that can fill his spot right now. Durzi and Spence are both defensively suspect and are replacements for Walker, not Roy.

    Roy's value is probably a late 1st round pick, but they're not ready to move him yet. He currently provides more value to the Kings than anything they could trade him for.


    Thank you for being reasonable, Have a nice day
    May 20 at 2:09 p.m.
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    Quoting: Leafsfan16
    LOL keep him then, U guys like habs fans now overpricing players??


    You should really try looking at the value of players from the perspective of teams trading them away, not from the perspective of teams wanting and needing them and not wanting to give up anything of value in return.
    May 20 at 2:12 p.m.
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    I'd say a 1st and a 3rd, or equivalent prospects, is his value.
    However, Roy is 4th in the King's leadership group (Kopitar, Doughty, Danault, Roy), so I don't see them trading him as anything less than a piece for an upgrade, much less for prospects. Ideally, He's our third pair RD but we have no room with Clarke and Faber coming up. Plus he has a great contract.
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    May 20 at 2:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: bliker
    I'd say a 1st and a 3rd, or equivalent prospects, is his value.
    However, Roy is 4th in the King's leadership group (Kopitar, Doughty, Danault, Roy), so I don't see them trading him as anything less than a piece for an upgrade, much less for prospects. Ideally, He's our third pair RD but we have no room with Clarke and Faber coming up. Plus he has a great contract.


    Thank you for your input
    May 20 at 2:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: T0R
    So by that Logic Owen Power,Matthew Beniers, Hell Shane Wright is what Matt Roy is worth


    Well, common now, within reason.

    Let's not get confused and start thinking Knies is a previous #1 pick. He's a 2nd rounder who has improved his stock.
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    May 20 at 2:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    You should really try looking at the value of players from the perspective of teams trading them away, not from the perspective of teams wanting and needing them and not wanting to give up anything of value in return.


    I’m just asking about value but i will not agree with an opinion that i see as ridiculous, which i have every right to do same as anyone else. I agree that i should look at it from a different perspective but at the same time the reality is his Value isn’t as high as people think
    May 20 at 2:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Well, common now, within reason.

    Let's not get confused and start thinking Knies is a previous #1 pick. He's a 2nd rounder who has improved his stock.



    He’d be a top 20 pick in that Draft 100% still he would be untouchable if i’m Dubas & he was judging by the Fleury trade
    May 20 at 2:32 p.m.
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    He’d be a top 20 pick in that Draft 100% still he would be untouchable if i’m Dubas & he was judging by the Fleury trade


    Top 20 is by definition a 1st round pick. The value of each individual pick in the 1st round drops off significantly generally after the top 5-7 by most studies.

    And you were fine with tkecankucks input on a 1st and 3rd as value. I just put a name to the pick which is when you started getting defensive.

    If he's untouchable, that's fine and there's no trade to be done. You just asked what it would cost to get Matt Roy. I answered from LAs perpective.
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    May 20 at 2:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: PuckLuck_77
    Top 20 is by definition a 1st round pick. The value of each individual pick in the 1st round drops off significantly generally after the top 5-7 by most studies.

    And you were fine with tkecankucks input on a 1st and 3rd as value. I just put a name to the pick which is when you started getting defensive.

    If he's untouchable, that's fine and there's no trade to be done. You just asked what it would cost to get Matt Roy. I answered from LAs perpective.


    I just don’t believe someone who looks like a steal of a 2nd rounder who might be almost a Top 10 pick in a redraft & is nearly nhl ready without a moment in the AHL is the price for Roy?, Sorry you can love Matt Roy but no-one would trade their top prospect for him whether thats Holloway,Barron,Finley,Wolf.Suzuki,Lapierre. I can’t see any team giving up so much for Matt Roy i think a 1st & 3rd is fair value maybe throw in a prospect but thats it,
    May 20 at 2:54 p.m.
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    I just don’t believe someone who looks like a steal of a 2nd rounder who might be almost a Top 10 pick in a redraft & is nearly nhl ready without a moment in the AHL is the price for Roy?, Sorry you can love Matt Roy but no-one would trade their top prospect for him whether thats Holloway,Barron,Finley,Wolf.Suzuki,Lapierre. I can’t see any team giving up so much for Matt Roy i think a 1st & 3rd is fair value maybe throw in a prospect but thats it,


    You have to look it from both team's perspectives.

    Toronto is a team that needs to find a way to win today. LA is a team that wants to contend very soon.

    You're asking LA to part with the Dman who was their top-pair guy for a significant portion of the season because Doughty was out. And he proved that he can anchor a top pair while getting a team to playoffs. He's a 25 minute munching guy that plays nearly all situations (PP being the only exception).

    Why would a team like LA, trying to come out of their rebuild as soon as next season move someone like that?

    Yes, Knies looks like he's going to be what you say. There's a reason why I, or a Kings GM in my opinion, would target him and I don't deny that. But despite looking the part, there's still inherent risk in a player who has only played college. There is 0 NHL experience there, or pro experience for that matter.

    Matt Roy has done 25 minutes a night in the NHL consistently and proved it. The best way I have described him on here to another Toronto fan before, that I stand by, is this: "Matt Roy won't win the Norris. But he'll be the reason why Morgan Reilly wins the Norris." The improvement on Toronto's right side would be drastic in ways that don't always show up on the scoresheet.
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    May 21 at 5:53 p.m.
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    You have to look it from both team's perspectives.

    Toronto is a team that needs to find a way to win today. LA is a team that wants to contend very soon.

    You're asking LA to part with the Dman who was their top-pair guy for a significant portion of the season because Doughty was out. And he proved that he can anchor a top pair while getting a team to playoffs. He's a 25 minute munching guy that plays nearly all situations (PP being the only exception).

    Why would a team like LA, trying to come out of their rebuild as soon as next season move someone like that?

    Yes, Knies looks like he's going to be what you say. There's a reason why I, or a Kings GM in my opinion, would target him and I don't deny that. But despite looking the part, there's still inherent risk in a player who has only played college. There is 0 NHL experience there, or pro experience for that matter.

    Matt Roy has done 25 minutes a night in the NHL consistently and proved it. The best way I have described him on here to another Toronto fan before, that I stand by, is this: "Matt Roy won't win the Norris. But he'll be the reason why Morgan Reilly wins the Norris." The improvement on Toronto's right side would be drastic in ways that don't always show up on the scoresheet.


    Ok real question , Why not Sandin don’t Kings need LD?
    May 21 at 6:17 p.m.
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    Ok real question , Why not Sandin don’t Kings need LD?


    Sandin could be an option for LA, yes. But I think LA is looking for LD elsewhere (think Chychrun). Blake has stated that they're trying to add size to the lineup, specifically at defense. Sandin doesn't bring that size, nor does he jump Bjornfot or Anderson in the lineup.

    If you're still after Roy, a trade for Sandin isnt a move with the potential to drastically upgrade the LA's roster, now or in the future. And the team gets drastically worse immediately with no replacement until Faber is ready.
    May 21 at 6:21 p.m.
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    Sandin could be an option for LA, yes. But I think LA is looking for LD elsewhere (think Chychrun). Blake has stated that they're trying to add size to the lineup, specifically at defense. Sandin doesn't bring that size, nor does he jump Bjornfot or Anderson in the lineup.

    If you're still after Roy, a trade for Sandin isnt a move with the potential to drastically upgrade the LA's roster, now or in the future. And the team gets drastically worse immediately with no replacement until Faber is ready.


    You heavily underestimate Sandin look up his xGF,xGA & then GA/60, GF/60

    ______________Sandin_________Roy____Chychryn
    GF/60 ………… 3.47………….…….2.9………..2.17
    GA/60 ………… 2.22 ………………2.6 ………..3.72
    CF/60 ………… 66.53 ……………60.26.…….50.59
    CA/60 ………… 49.11…………….55.22……..57.44
    xGA/60 ………… 2.09………………3.98……….2.47
    xGF/60 ………… 3.41 ………………3.21……….2.81

    btw Sandin had more Hits than this season than
    Chychryn 88 > 51 in almost the same amount of games 51 for Rasmus & 47 for Chychryn
    May 21 at 7:28 p.m.
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    You heavily underestimate Sandin look up his xGF,xGA & then GA/60, GF/60

    ______________Sandin_________Roy____Chychryn
    GF/60 ………… 3.47………….…….2.9………..2.17
    GA/60 ………… 2.22 ………………2.6 ………..3.72
    CF/60 ………… 66.53 ……………60.26.…….50.59
    CA/60 ………… 49.11…………….55.22……..57.44
    xGA/60 ………… 2.09………………3.98……….2.47
    xGF/60 ………… 3.41 ………………3.21……….2.81

    btw Sandin had more Hits than this season than
    Chychryn 88 > 51 in almost the same amount of games 51 for Rasmus & 47 for Chychryn


    He's got impressive offensive numbers for sure. I think a significant part of that is owed to being on one of the best offensive teams in the league, where LA and Arizona are very much the opposite of that.

    Again, I think he could be an option for LA. But Matt Roy wouldn't be the piece moved for him.
    May 21 at 7:33 p.m.
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    He's got impressive offensive numbers for sure. I think a significant part of that is owed to being on one of the best offensive teams in the league, where LA and Arizona are very much the opposite of that.

    Again, I think he could be an option for LA. But Matt Roy wouldn't be the piece moved for him.


    His defensive numbers are better as well, offence is one thing but you say size then say Chychryn who is big but doesn’t hit & then say offense when his defensive numbers are better than Chychrn as well even though he is two years younger
     
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