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offer sheeting Oettinger

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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 20, 2022
Published: May 20, 2022
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IF Dallas was going to offer sheet Liljegren the max (4.2) that would only cost a 2nd, Leaf’s should go right back and offer sheet Oettinger with Robertson, Gurianov, and others also needing new deals. Would be hard to match that 6.3 deal
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Oettinger, Jake$6,300,000
2023 1st round pick
2023 3rd round pick
Grundström, Carl$1,300,000No Compensation
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  1. 2023 2nd round pick (DAL)
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  1. Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
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Dallas offer sheets Liljegren
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May 20, 2022 at 3:01 p.m.
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that doesnt get Nylander, vancouver would have to add heavily
May 20, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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i'm not sure gutting the team like that is worth it to get Oettinger
May 20, 2022 at 3:02 p.m.
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Seems like a pretty easy match for Dallas
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May 20, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.
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William Nylander>>>>>>>>>>Garland+Hoglander. Vancouver needs to add far more to get William Nylander.

And Jim Nill matches the offer sheet on Jake Oettinger rather easily.
May 20, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
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i'm not sure gutting the team like that is worth it to get Oettinger


Let me have some fun
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May 20, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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Canucks decline. 2 top 6 wingers for 1 top 6 winger is a bad deal for us. We rather have our guys who work super hard than Nylander who gives up on plays easily
May 20, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
that doesnt get Nylander, vancouver would have to add heavily


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William Nylander>>>>>>>>>>Garland+Hoglander. Vancouver needs to add far more to get William Nylander.

And Jim Nill matches the offer sheet on Jake Oettinger rather easily.


I don’t think Vancouver would do a deal around Garland + Hoglander for Nylander, as giving up those two plus at least one other solid asset doesn’t make sense for them. It would most likely be something involving Miller instead
May 20, 2022 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
that doesnt get Nylander, vancouver would have to add heavily


Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
William Nylander>>>>>>>>>>Garland+Hoglander. Vancouver needs to add far more to get William Nylander.

And Jim Nill matches the offer sheet on Jake Oettinger rather easily.


Yeah there’s no chance vancouver does this trade. They give up a ton of cap flexibility do marginally upgrade garland while losing out on a 21 yr winger with too 6 upside.

Canucks aren’t rebuilding but their not in win now mode either. Makes 0 long term sense to do that move
May 20, 2022 at 3:15 p.m.
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I don’t think Vancouver would do a deal around Garland + Hoglander for Nylander, as giving up those two plus at least one other solid asset doesn’t make sense for them. It would most likely be something involving Miller instead


and none of those make sense for the leafs. Either the canucks make it worth the leafs while, or they dont get Nylander. Miller isnt enough because he's a pending ufa, and would not score near as much on the leafs 2nd line, especially counting his age regression and that Miller has 2 seasons total over 60 points in his career and Nylander is a better playoff performer
May 20, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.
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Yeah there’s no chance vancouver does this trade. They give up a ton of cap flexibility do marginally upgrade garland while losing out on a 21 yr winger with too 6 upside.

Canucks aren’t rebuilding but their not in win now mode either. Makes 0 long term sense to do that move


marginally improve on garland? lol, the guy has one 50 point season and one 20 goal season
May 20, 2022 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
marginally improve on garland? lol, the guy has one 50 point season and one 20 goal season


This past season:

Garland had 47 5v5 points, 17 5v5 goals, and 2.62 5v5 points per 60.

Nylander had 40 5v5 points, 18 5v5 goals, and scored 2.13 5v5 points per 60.

So garland was better at scoring 5v5 last year.

Now where nylander is clearly better is on the PP. garland didn’t play on Vancouvers top unit this year, but even if he did I’d be surprised if he scored at Nylander’s rate of 31 PP points which lead Toronto.

So the upgrade for Van is getting a PP specialist without losing much at 5v5.

However, the powerplay is at the bottom of Vancouvers offseason to do list. Van still had a top 10 powerplay last year and their top unit is already set with Pettersson/miller/Horvat/Hughes/Boeser. Nylnder would probably replace Boeser on PP1, given they are both right handed and he is probably the worst player in the PP. Nylander scored 2 more PP goals than Boeser last year, so while he is an upgrade on the power play, it’s not very significant.

So the on ice value from the Canucks perspective is marginal, then factor in $2 million more against the cap and only half the term left, Canucks lose long term value.

On top of all that, the Canucks also have to give up Hoglander, who is, at worst, a Nick Robertson level piece?

Yeah easy pass
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May 20, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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This past season:

Garland had 47 5v5 points, 17 5v5 goals, and 2.62 5v5 points per 60.

Nylander had 40 5v5 points, 18 5v5 goals, and scored 2.13 5v5 points per 60.

So garland was better at scoring 5v5 last year.

Now where nylander is clearly better is on the PP. garland didn’t play on Vancouvers top unit this year, but even if he did I’d be surprised if he scored at Nylander’s rate of 31 PP points which lead Toronto.

So the upgrade for Van is getting a PP specialist without losing much at 5v5.

However, the powerplay is at the bottom of Vancouvers offseason to do list. Van still had a top 10 powerplay last year and their top unit is already set with Pettersson/miller/Horvat/Hughes/Boeser. Nylnder would probably replace Boeser on PP1, given they are both right handed and he is probably the worst player in the PP. Nylander scored 2 more PP goals than Boeser last year, so while he is an upgrade on the power play, it’s not very significant.

So the on ice value from the Canucks perspective is marginal, then factor in $2 million more against the cap and only half the term left, Canucks lose long term value.

On top of all that, the Canucks also have to give up Hoglander, who is, at worst, a Nick Robertson level piece?

Yeah easy pass


this season william nylander had 34 goals and 80 points
this season Garland had 19 goals and 52 points
this was Garland's first season over 39 points.
they are the same age
This is not marginal, this is a hilarious attempt to boost your much worse player and ignore the massive massive gap in actual ability, especially since you dont wanna dig into previous years. Which I recomend if you really wanna see the gap as Nylander is historically a 5v5 monster relative to his power play time.
May 20, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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VAN decline, they don't need a soft winger for that price.
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May 20, 2022 at 3:47 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
this season william nylander had 34 goals and 80 points
this season Garland had 19 goals and 52 points
this was Garland's first season over 39 points.
they are the same age
This is not marginal, this is a hilarious attempt to boost your much worse player and ignore the massive massive gap in actual ability, especially since you dont wanna dig into previous years. Which I recomend if you really wanna see the gap as Nylander is historically a 5v5 monster relative to his power play time.


Past 3 seasons:

Nylander 2.23 points per 60 5v5. Garland 2.38 points per 60 5v5.

Yeah, Nylnder sure is a monster 5v5….

I really like how you completely ignored the point I made that Nylander’s biggest attribute is his powerplay ability, which is something the Canucks are not in the market for right now.

You simply cannot compare these two player based on raw point totals alone, since they play completely different roles on their teams and their teams are on completely different competitive stages.

You can think Nylnder is a far superior player if you’d like but reality is, once you consider role, contract status, and comparative window, the Canucks are better off with Garland than Nylander
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May 20, 2022 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Past 3 seasons:

Nylander 2.23 points per 60 5v5. Garland 2.38 points per 60 5v5.

Yeah, Nylnder sure is a monster 5v5….

I really like how you completely ignored the point I made that Nylander’s biggest attribute is his powerplay ability, which is something the Canucks are not in the market for right now.

You simply cannot compare these two player based on raw point totals alone, since they play completely different roles on their teams and their teams are on completely different competitive stages.

You can think Nylnder is a far superior player if you’d like but reality is, once you consider role, contract status, and comparative window, the Canucks are better off with Garland than Nylander


lol, completely different competitive stages, that's a new one! Funny, I thought they both played in the NHL, and in the NHL goals are goals and points are points. they count the same on the power play and even strength.
Nylander is better, has always been better and will continue to be better, it's also why he's paid more, because he's better and no GM or fan who wasnt trying to justify something weird would take garland over nylander
May 20, 2022 at 4:01 p.m.
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lol, completely different competitive stages, that's a new one! Funny, I thought they both played in the NHL, and in the NHL goals are goals and points are points. they count the same on the power play and even strength.
Nylander is better, has always been better and will continue to be better, it's also why he's paid more, because he's better and no GM or fan who wasnt trying to justify something weird would take garland over nylander


Competative stage obviously matters. you're joking right? would Arizona trade a 1st round pick for Nylander? obviously not since they are rebuilding and aquiring Nylander is a win now move since he only has two years left.

Canucks aren't trying to win the cup next year. they probably wont be contenders in 2 years time either. so whats the point of giving up 4 years of cost control in the better 5v5 player to add a PP specialist for 2 seasons when they arent contending.
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May 20, 2022 at 4:15 p.m.
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Competative stage obviously matters. you're joking right? would Arizona trade a 1st round pick for Nylander? obviously not since they are rebuilding and aquiring Nylander is a win now move since he only has two years left.

Canucks aren't trying to win the cup next year. they probably wont be contenders in 2 years time either. so whats the point of giving up 4 years of cost control in the better 5v5 player to add a PP specialist for 2 seasons when they arent contending.


this is fun! so let me get this straight, the canucks are at a 'different stage' of development and because of that they dont want to trade for a guy who is the same age, but better because Garland scored an extra 2.179 even strength points per season over the last 3 years (and 52 total less points over that stretch)?
You do realise that Garland isnt some sort of prospect right? He isnt going to help the canucks rebuild or compete sooner, he isnt going to be good longer than Nylander and last i checked the canucks were trying to make the playoffs and contend, isnt that why they kept Miller?
So either you're trading guys like garland to rebuild or you're improving your team by bringing in better players like Nylander to contend.
May 20, 2022 at 4:17 p.m.
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Matched. Going to have to go up to the 8.2 mil tier for them to even consider not matching, and TOR can't afford that or this
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May 20, 2022 at 4:29 p.m.
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this is fun! so let me get this straight, the canucks are at a 'different stage' of development and because of that they dont want to trade for a guy who is the same age, but better because Garland scored an extra 2.179 even strength points per season over the last 3 years (and 52 total less points over that stretch)?
You do realise that Garland isnt some sort of prospect right? He isnt going to help the canucks rebuild or compete sooner, he isnt going to be good longer than Nylander and last i checked the canucks were trying to make the playoffs and contend, isnt that why they kept Miller?
So either you're trading guys like garland to rebuild or you're improving your team by bringing in better players like Nylander to contend.


You do realize that spending $2 million more per season on Nylander and then needing to resign him the same year petterssons deal comes due is a bad thing when the Canucks already have an equivalent 5v5 player who has 2 more years on deal, right?

Trading for Nylander will barely improve the team in the short term, and makes it more difficult to address actual areas of need such as the defense.

The trade makes 0 sense for vancouver even if it was Garland for Nylander 1 for 1. You’re claiming the Canucks would have to heavily add to a trade where they are already the team giving up more value AND aquiring a piece that has less long term value
May 20, 2022 at 4:36 p.m.
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You do realize that spending $2 million more per season on Nylander and then needing to resign him the same year petterssons deal comes due is a bad thing when the Canucks already have an equivalent 5v5 player who has 2 more years on deal, right?

Trading for Nylander will barely improve the team in the short term, and makes it more difficult to address actual areas of need such as the defense.

The trade makes 0 sense for vancouver even if it was Garland for Nylander 1 for 1. You’re claiming the Canucks would have to heavily add to a trade where they are already the team giving up more value AND aquiring a piece that has less long term value


if you want to get better, you need better players. Nylander is much better than garland. if you want the worse player, keep garland. If you want Nylander you need to add heavily, because he isnt remotly as valuable as Nylander, and yes, the canucks take that trade 100 times out of 100
May 20, 2022 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
if you want to get better, you need better players. Nylander is much better than garland. if you want the worse player, keep garland. If you want Nylander you need to add heavily, because he isnt remotly as valuable as Nylander, and yes, the canucks take that trade 100 times out of 100


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May 20, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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May 20, 2022 at 6:23 p.m.
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Toronto is going to have to offer sheet well more than they are even capable of offer sheeting in order to get Dallas to consider not matching.
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