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Possible offer from ottawa

Created by: SEBK7
Published: May 20, 2022 at 6:06 p.m.
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Season Days: 200/200 (100%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because one of the teams exceeds the 23 player roster limit

Logo of the Columbus Blue JacketsColumbus Blue Jackets

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kukan, DeanColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$1,650,000011---413811--
Laine, PatrikColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$7,500,000011---56263056--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Zaitsev, NikitaOttawa SenatorsNHL-$4,500,000011---622911--
Brännström, ErikWaivers ExemptOttawa SenatorsNHL-$863,333011---5301414--
2022 1st round pick (Logo of the Ottawa SenatorsOTT)---100------
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Tampa Bay LightningTBL)---010------
2024 4th round pick (Logo of the Tampa Bay LightningTBL)---001------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,763,6292642584611
Change$3,786,667000111
Final$14,550,296 (↑)2642585 (↑)7 (↑)12 (↑)-27-15-42

Logo of the Ottawa SenatorsOttawa Senators

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Zaitsev, NikitaOttawa SenatorsNHL-$4,500,000011---622911--
Brännström, ErikWaivers ExemptOttawa SenatorsNHL-$863,333011---5301414--
2022 1st round pick (Logo of the Ottawa SenatorsOTT)---100------
2022 2nd round pick (Logo of the Tampa Bay LightningTBL)---010------
2024 4th round pick (Logo of the Tampa Bay LightningTBL)---001------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Kukan, DeanColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$1,650,000011---413811--
Laine, PatrikColumbus Blue JacketsNHL-$7,500,000011---56263056--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$10,618,5742247633816
Change-$3,786,667000-1-1-1
Final$6,831,907 (↓)2247632 (↓)7 (↓)15 (↓)271542
May 21, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
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A dman that they desperately want to get rid of, one that is not really that good, a first in a reportedly really weak draft, a very low second and fourth for Laine and Kukan...hmmm.
May 21, 2022 at 5:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Rhea
A dman that they desperately want to get rid of, one that is not really that good, a first in a reportedly really weak draft, a very low second and fourth for Laine and Kukan...hmmm.


Context can change trades like this a lot though.

Laine is 1 year away from unrestricted free agency via signing his 7.5 million dollar QO. Teams never get full value in those situations. If Columbus shops Laine because they either don't want to be the team to give him his big long term contract, or he doesn't want to sign there, that package is pretty good. Players rarely get more than that in the above situation.

Brannstrom is not worth much. Maybe a 3rd round pick. A 7th overall (even in a weak draft), a 2nd, and a 3rd is a good return for a 1st line forward who is 1 year away from UFA status.

The inclusion of Zaitsev would be the only questionable aspect, since I'd imagine he'd be viewed as a cap dump.
May 23, 2022 at 7:35 a.m.
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Context can change trades like this a lot though.

Laine is 1 year away from unrestricted free agency via signing his 7.5 million dollar QO. Teams never get full value in those situations. If Columbus shops Laine because they either don't want to be the team to give him his big long term contract, or he doesn't want to sign there, that package is pretty good. Players rarely get more than that in the above situation.

Brannstrom is not worth much. Maybe a 3rd round pick. A 7th overall (even in a weak draft), a 2nd, and a 3rd is a good return for a 1st line forward who is 1 year away from UFA status.

The inclusion of Zaitsev would be the only questionable aspect, since I'd imagine he'd be viewed as a cap dump.


The Laine situation is not like that at all. He has said numerous times that he wants to stay and management has said the same thing. You're devaluing him in the name of context that doesn't exist
May 23, 2022 at 8:30 a.m.
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The Laine situation is not like that at all. He has said numerous times that he wants to stay and management has said the same thing. You're devaluing him in the name of context that doesn't exist


You uncovered my plan to devalue players on an internet message board. Dammit, I was so close to getting away with it!

There was a very important qualifying word throughout my paragraph. I will give you 30 seconds to re-read. Okay, here we go. The word was (If).

if
/if/
conjunction
1.
(introducing a conditional clause) on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.
"if you have a complaint, write to the director"


I never insinuated that Laine wanted out, or that Columbus did not want to re-sign him. I proposed a conditional context where that package makes sense.

For all your fears about an anonymous poster with the avatar of a famous Japanese organizing guru devaluing hockey players on message boards, if anything, I upped Laine's value! Because I stipulated that (if) Laine is available in a context that often results in players getting low returns (he wants to leave in a year as a UFA, the team doesn't want him), the 7th overall + + would be a reasonable return. We're on the same team here. I am working undercover for Jarmo pumping his players values on internet message boards in case a rival GM is reading.
May 23, 2022 at 8:44 a.m.
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You uncovered my plan to devalue players on an internet message board. Dammit, I was so close to getting away with it!

There was a very important qualifying word throughout my paragraph. I will give you 30 seconds to re-read. Okay, here we go. The word was (If).

if
/if/
conjunction
1.
(introducing a conditional clause) on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.
"if you have a complaint, write to the director"


I never insinuated that Laine wanted out, or that Columbus did not want to re-sign him. I proposed a conditional context where that package makes sense.

For all your fears about an anonymous poster with the avatar of a famous Japanese organizing guru devaluing hockey players on message boards, if anything, I upped Laine's value! Because I stipulated that (if) Laine is available in a context that often results in players getting low returns (he wants to leave in a year as a UFA, the team doesn't want him), the 7th overall + + would be a reasonable return. We're on the same team here. I am working undercover for Jarmo pumping his players values on internet message boards in case a rival GM is reading.


you spent far too much time on that reply thinking that I actually care. I was just saying that the offer is not enough because that context does not exist
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