While I think Josh Manson would be a good addition to this team, didn't he say that he had no interest in playing for the leafs?

Pretty sure it was any Canadian team not just the leafs

why would dubas apologise? he traded him to an organisation where he was able to get a shot he never would have gotten in toronto that ended up giving Marchment the shot he needed to cash in this summer

Philly declined

You get a Top 6 Winger who is almost a PPG & had 80 points this year for Konecny & Tippett who had only 73 points this year between the two of them

For trading him for Denis Malgin thats why

yeah, traded for a younger guy who had shown something in the NHL for, like i said, someone who looked simply OK in the AHL so he could get a shot in a more wide open organisation. If anything Marchment would thank dubas by taking a pay cut

Tippett is still progressing, finally seemed to find his stride in Philly the last 15 games where he was about a point a game pace.
TK once AV got fired also looked like his old self, in fact, wouldn’t look at flyers stats for any time AV has been employed.

Because outside of Leafs land there is more to hockey than just putting up points.

Ok If
you want actual stats that matter he had an G/60 of 2.94 while Konecny & tippet had 2.88 & 2.65 respectively, CA/60 Willy: 55.23 , CF/60 63.88. Konecny CF/60 60.05, CA/60 60.66, Tippett CF/60 62.33, CA/53.53. You act like these aren’t comparable numbers the only thing is Tippet gives up way less than Konecny but still more than Willy therefore Willy is the better player end of discussion(All stats were 5v5)

First off advanced stats aren't ACTUAL stats, that aside I wasn't saying Willy wasn't the better player, I was saying he is ONLY marginally better. You were the one acting like there was a HUGE gap between Konecny, Tippett and Nylander when in actuality you proved the gap is not that wide. Besides all that the Flyers had AV most of the year and he is just bad (not DD bad but still bad lol) after they replaced AV there was an up tick in everyone's stats for the Flyers, suggesting it was coaching and not the players that was the issue. Ignoring all of that, you look at each players stats and consider the team they play for and their position in the standings and this tells more of the story.

Nylander 80 point, CF/60 63.88, CA/60 55.23 on a top 5 team in the league

Konecny 52 points, CF/60 60.05, CA/60.66 on a bottom 5 team in the league

Tippett 21 points, CF/60 62.33 CA/60 53.53 again on a bottom 5 team in the league.

All this to say that Nylander is a good player there is no denying that but so are Konecny and Tippett and the gap from either to Nylander based on the stats you provided is not the other player. It is more like a Tippet + 2nd or late 1st or Konecny + 3rd given that he is a more established player who bounced back after the coaching change.

Manson was getting destroyed by Avs fans before that goal and even then one goal does not change much

Go check their tweets, other than his physicality he is a liability at times and they wished Sakic traded for someone else.

Its basically like how Cody Ceci was

Then who would you suggest

Brodie easy lul

As in general Leafs dont need to bring anyone one in

They got

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liligren
Giordano-Sandin

going into next season

So what do you think should be added to the trade to make it fair like honestly, i apologize if i offended you with my responses but the whole point of this is to see how players are valued in the eyes of other fan bases

There isn’t much to work with in Philly and Nylander has those three other decent players I wonder who they are?

You mean the two he doesn’t play on a line with

I stated at the bottom the difference but if you want both I think Nylander + 3rd probably closes the gap

I think thats fair

Better?

Yeah I think that is fair!