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Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 23, 2022
Published: May 23, 2022
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  1. Hart, Carter
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  1. Robertson, Nicholas
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
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2022
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18$82,499,999$78,634,616$212,500$0$3,865,383

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LW, C, RW
M-NTC
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
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$900,000$900,000
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UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C
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LD
NTC
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RD
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UFA - 1
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$3,800,000$3,800,000
G
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
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UFA - 8
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,979,000$3,979,000
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
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May 23, 2022 at 9:15 a.m.
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Too much. If I am Philly, 2 firsts alone id probably run with it. a first and Kallgren, maybe...
This deal you have here, you should toss in Mrazek as well to the deal to even it out more. Heres your chance to move him.
May 23, 2022 at 9:17 a.m.
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Hart has been awful for 2 years, not even close for Toronto
May 23, 2022 at 9:18 a.m.
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Philly takes that and runs.
May 23, 2022 at 9:19 a.m.
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Leafs are win now mode, we don't need a goalie that still needs a few years to develop
May 23, 2022 at 9:20 a.m.
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hart not that much better than campbell
May 23, 2022 at 9:21 a.m.
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Quoting: PredsWingsFan
Too much. If I am Philly, 2 firsts alone id probably run with it. a first and Kallgren, maybe...
This deal you have here, you should toss in Mrazek as well to the deal to even it out more. Heres your chance to move him.


I think, from an actual value part, you're not wrong, but from a Philly spot, you've basically got a long term goaltender, with a ton of control left, and he's only 23. I mean, I'd have to be drastically overpaid to move him. A couple of late 1sts likely never replace Hart, and I don't know that Robertson would be a particular need at this point.
May 23, 2022 at 9:24 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Philly takes that and runs.
Quoting: PredsWingsFan
Too much. If I am Philly, 2 firsts alone id probably run with it. a first and Kallgren, maybe...
This deal you have here, you should toss in Mrazek as well to the deal to even it out more. Heres your chance to move him.


What about this. Nylander and Mrazek + 2nd for Hart and Farabee.
May 23, 2022 at 9:25 a.m.
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What about this. Nylander and Mrazek + 2nd for Hart and Farabee.


No, not even close.
May 23, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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hart not that much better than campbell


I think he can be the Leafs long term goalie of the future, philly has had a very toxic environment for a young goalie for the past two years. Have a tandem of something like hart and raanta and run that.
May 23, 2022 at 9:26 a.m.
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No, not even close.


from which side?
May 23, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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Way too much for a mediocre goalie, but I doubt Philly would be inclined to move him anyway
May 23, 2022 at 10:08 a.m.
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you can very much tell that everyone in this comment section looks at base statistics soley. just for reference, here was the flyers defensive pairings through the last few games

Provorov (severe regression) - Attard (young AHL dman, middle of the line d prospect, still raw)
Hogberg (young AHL dman with little upside) - Sanheim
Yandle (worst defenseman in the NHL) - Zamula (raw AHL dman but has lots of upside)
May 23, 2022 at 10:08 a.m.
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Danny Mr. GM Briere
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May 23, 2022 at 10:08 a.m.
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May 23, 2022 at 10:09 a.m.
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Way too much. Beside, the cap issue is still there. Just sign Campbell, buyout Mrzarfek and keep the picks, and the Leafs would be much better off in cap and futures.
May 23, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.
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Hart has been crap on the NHL level. This is too much to pay for him. Replace one of the 1st with Mrazek and then I’d consider it.
May 23, 2022 at 10:11 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Philly takes that and runs.


we reject lol we arent taking two late firsts that wont be anything in exchange for the best goalie weve had since hextall
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May 23, 2022 at 10:13 a.m.
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we reject lol we arent taking two late firsts that wont be anything in exchange for the best goalie weve had since hextall


Yeah right. Carter Hart is a star. What was I thinking?
May 23, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
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Way too much. Beside, the cap issue is still there. Just sign Campbell, buyout Mrzarfek and keep the picks, and the Leafs would be much better off in cap and futures.


Sounds like Campbell is gone. He's looking for a retirement contract. I can't see Dubas paying it. Campbell's agent is Kurt Overhardt. He doesn't do discounts.
May 23, 2022 at 10:23 a.m.
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Sounds like Campbell is gone. He's looking for a retirement contract. I can't see Dubas paying it. Campbell's agent is Kurt Overhardt. He doesn't do discounts.


By the post suggestedt....he had 3.9m Hart and 3.8m Mrzarek on the team. A total of 7.7m. I would rather have 5.5m Campbell, 750,000 Kallgren and 1m buyout of Mrzarek off 7.25m and keep the picks.

But I agree with you, Leafs can't afford Campbell, unless they trade away with no cap coming back Nylander. But that idea has met so much derision from CF Leaf followings, who think Nylander is untouchable and Campbell with a discount for the love the Leafs.....yeah right.
May 23, 2022 at 10:25 a.m.
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hart has been terrible last 2 years. i dont see that happening from the leafs side.
May 23, 2022 at 10:25 a.m.
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A second at best is what I’d pay him now
May 23, 2022 at 10:28 a.m.
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By the post suggestedt....he had 3.9m Hart and 3.8m Mrzarek on the team. A total of 7.7m. I would rather have 5.5m Campbell, 750,000 Kallgren and 1m buyout of Mrzarek off 7.25m and keep the picks.

But I agree with you, Leafs can't afford Campbell, unless they trade away with no cap coming back Nylander. But that idea has met so much derision from CF Leaf followings, who think Nylander is untouchable and Campbell with a discount for the love the Leafs.....yeah right.


I think Nylander should be traded. Not given away mind you. But Dubie has to get away from his "shiny toy syndrome." Trading Willie can address other needs on the team.
May 23, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.
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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
Sounds like Campbell is gone. He's looking for a retirement contract. I can't see Dubas paying it. Campbell's agent is Kurt Overhardt. He doesn't do discounts.


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By the post suggestedt....he had 3.9m Hart and 3.8m Mrzarek on the team. A total of 7.7m. I would rather have 5.5m Campbell, 750,000 Kallgren and 1m buyout of Mrzarek off 7.25m and keep the picks.

But I agree with you, Leafs can't afford Campbell, unless they trade away with no cap coming back Nylander. But that idea has met so much derision from CF Leaf followings, who think Nylander is untouchable and Campbell with a discount for the love the Leafs.....yeah right.


campbell will get market value theres what 3 starting caliber goalies in free agency right now? i have campbell at a markstrom esq contract. something like 5.5-6 x 6. someone might get desperate and reach for 6.5 but thats an overpay tbh.

leafs wont have a difficult time getting the cap for campbell, sandin, etc. someone will take on mrazek for a pick. there will be plenty of space. the only problem is depth is going to be tough. youll need robertson to produce. or find another bunting.
May 23, 2022 at 10:50 a.m.
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campbell will get market value theres what 3 starting caliber goalies in free agency right now? i have campbell at a markstrom esq contract. something like 5.5-6 x 6. someone might get desperate and reach for 6.5 but thats an overpay tbh.

leafs wont have a difficult time getting the cap for campbell, sandin, etc. someone will take on mrazek for a pick. there will be plenty of space. the only problem is depth is going to be tough. youll need robertson to produce. or find another bunting.


Leafs can open up cap space to sign Campbell. But I don't think they want to pay him Markstrom money. JC will get his money in UFA. Ullmark got 5 mil from Boston last summer.
 
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