Tyler Bertuzzis Trade Value

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

I am triple vaxxed and got covid and it was a cake walk. My friend's wife was in the same boat and ended up in the hospital.

The science absolutely proves that the vaccine reduces spread by a huge margin and reduces symptoms by a massive amount as well. Not getting it and refusing masks puts others at risk. It's been proven by science. Too bad way too many say nonsense and throw the word science and now they are experts.

So in this anecdotal situation, the individual efficacy of the vaccine is completely random, as you were fine after 3x vax, but your friends wife was not, yet natural immunity has not had this problem.
Outside of our ancedotal situation, the risk of hospitalization for triple boosted individuals is quite low. To the point where countries are just treating it as an annual virus from now on. So again, do you not trust the science? If you are 3x vaxxed, you are 94% less likely to be hospitalized than unvaxxed. 0 Covid was never acheivable. So what more do you want? Unvaccinated individuals are not a risk to the vaxxed, its the other way around

May 24, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

when he is not playing in places where unvaccinted are not allowed to, it is obvious. he also said on social media and interviews. Aaron judge was in the same boat before he played in canada and we realized he was vaccinated. So proving u wrong lmao.

And yes, lets not spread BS conspiracies on here

What conspiracy? You’re all over the place here. Provide one source link where Tyler Bertuzzi (not Todd) said he did it for political reasons. It’s already been stated he had a consultation with his personal doctor and the team doctor about the vaccination during last offseason. It’s also a fact, that non vaccinated players had to do rigorous testing and quarantining versus vaccinated players so one would assume he has something pressing there. Aaron Judge is a different person with different ideals so not really relevant here. So provide one source where Tyler Bertuzzi said he did it solely for political reasons and isn’t some speculation piece.

May 24, 2022 at 1:33 p.m.

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Edited May 24, 2022 at 1:42 p.m.

Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

racism does not require it to be on the base of race. It can be ethnicty or religion as well. being diverse does not mean anything when you are not the majority in the country you are in.

Respectfully, you got no idea what youre talking about. goodbye. idc you can think youre right.

Lol what an arguement. Provide nothing to the conversation and when every point you make is dismantled, you take your ball and run home. Redefining everything to fit your narrative does not mean youre right. Yes they are included under the umbrella of racism, however that was not the arguement. The arguement was you can not discriminate against someones religious beliefs. Only inherent features such as race. Saying discrimination against someone for their religion is racism only further proves my point rofl. Religion is not an inherent trait and can be discriminated against. Therefore my question above still remains...

May 24, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.

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Logan_Ollivier

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I have no time for you.

May 24, 2022 at 1:41 p.m.

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Josh Anderson Sucks

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Quoting: BStinson

Bertuzzi was not allowed to play in places that had vax requirements. Thats how we know…

Judge is similar because he had conspiracies about his vax status too. We found out he was vaxed by him playing in Canada lol.

Keep throwing around trigger words plz.

May 24, 2022 at 1:42 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer

May 24, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

I keep asking for a source and you keep dodging. Your assumption <> fact. Not everything is political. What trigger words are you talking about?

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May 24, 2022 at 1:53 p.m.

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Quoting: BStinson

I keep asking for a source and you keep dodging. Your assumption <> fact. Not everything is political. What trigger words are you talking about?

source for what? to prove he is unvaccinated?

May 24, 2022 at 1:54 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

thats just factually wrong. Like that is just not at all in the slightest true. Like quite literally, factually incorrect

It's not actually. Factually it is correct and the science backs it. With these latest variants, it's even more apparent.

May 24, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

source for what? to prove he is unvaccinated?

Great troll job, not responding anymore.

May 24, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

Cool story, so you are an antivaxer as well. Because none of that is true at all.

All of it is true actually if you look at all the data out there.
Even more true with the new variants where effectiveness is less than the average flu shot. I'm not against anyone getting it if they feel the need or desire, you do you. It's not for me and certainly shouldn't be a requirement for a young athlete whose had it already

May 24, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Chopper02

It's not actually. Factually it is correct and the science backs it. With these latest variants, it's even more apparent.

these lates variants, its become less effective against preventing cases but far more with deaths. but its still far better than any other measure u could take to prevent covid

May 24, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.

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Quoting: BStinson

Great troll job, not responding anymore.

dude what u want me to prove? that he didnt get it? that he said he didnt get it? that his doctor said he didnt get it? what

May 24, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer

Systemic racism implies their are laws that benefit one race over others based solely on race. So yes, not only can be, but are: Affirmative action is an easy and shining example of this

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May 24, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Systemic racism implies their are laws that benefit one race over others based solely on race. So yes, not only can be, but are: Affirmative action is an easy and shining example of this

ok im embarrassed it took me this long to figure out the type of person you are. bye

May 24, 2022 at 2:22 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

ok im embarrassed it took me this long to figure out the type of person you are. bye

Analytical and literal? Everyone knows that.

May 24, 2022 at 2:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Shibbal18

Analytical and literal? Everyone knows that.

anti-facts!

May 24, 2022 at 2:27 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

anti-facts!

Rn im the only one providing facts with sources. You cant just claim something is anti-fact because you disagree with it. Thats childish and 'anti-smart'

May 24, 2022 at 2:29 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

do you think that in the USA, a white person can be a victim of systemic racism? Answer honestly

idc if this is unrelated in your eyes. just answer

Actually yes. There are systems in place that allow companies and governments to hire specifically on the basis that you have to be a person of color and more companies are doing so. If you're not a "protected person" that means the system can be rigged against you.
Just look at several universities who are getting away with discriminating admissions practices. When it comes to testing scores asians and whites are discriminated against because they require higher scores than black or hispanic students. That's a systemic racism issue right there against both of those groups.

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May 24, 2022 at 2:30 p.m.

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Genuinely curious to know what comps you're using here, or is it primarily guess work based on gut feeling that could be potentially biased based on who you cheer for? Not meant as a critique, just curious. I'm sure there are others out there that have been moved in similar circumstances.

When it comes to "Yes, he said he's willing to re-sign", sure, everyone typically says that, because it'd be a pretty poor PR move from both sides (Bert side: makes him look bad, Wings side: reduces leverage). Not saying that he won't be extended, because there's a reasonable chance that he is, just throwing this stuff out there into the universe.

Nah, they were just semi-educated guesses. I honestly wanted to know if there was some middle ground between the Bertuzzi factions that could be found. I just used the guidelines I listed and used The Athletic's organizational prospect rankings from February to try to stick to them. I tried not to include any personal bias, though I am a Wings fan, by using that outside source as a way to estimate how different prospects are valued in the hockey industry. The biggest pushback seemed to be on Knies and the LA package, which is cool...like I said I was just throwing those proposals to get feedback/a discussion started. Knies had a really good year, but was a late second round pick just a year ago so I didn't think it was an outrageous ask, but apparently Leafs fans think that would be a major overpay. The Kings package was based on the luster having worn off Turcotte quite a bit and I felt that asking for one of their young kids already contributing at the NHL would have been too much. Adding Faber seemed like it wasn't over the top - he was listed as the #7 prospect in their organization, though it is a very strong system - as he seems like a good, but not great asset. I just think Bertuzzi's value is an interesting debate.

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May 24, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.

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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom

these lates variants, its become less effective against preventing cases but far more with deaths. but its still far better than any other measure u could take to prevent covid

It wasn't even that effective with the alpha variant and didn't stop the spread of the virus. Now I agree, it certainly does help some populations, particularly those who are over 65 and/obese or those with compromised systems. As a whole? It was marginally effective for those who didn't meet that criteria.

May 24, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.

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Quoting: ISeeBlueHeLooks

You've certainly sparked quite a... shall we say lively... debate. I appreciated the effort put into this, not simply saying "Detroit gets this" but listing out different points, even if I may disagree with them.

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May 24, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier

I have no time for you.

He's not wrong. The shot doesn't prevent transmission nor infections. It's a therapeutic. It works for some, pointless for most because it actually hurt your immune system in the long run and now scientists are starting to see this happening. I encourage anyone over 65 to get one or those with compromised systems.

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May 24, 2022 at 2:37 p.m.

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Quoting: NoVaSpartan

Well I certainly didn't it post it to spark another COVID debate...oh well. Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

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May 24, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.

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