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Miller trade

Created by: jedihonesy
Team: 2022-23 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2022
Published: May 25, 2022
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Description
Rags lose Vatrano and Strome to free agency, having Miller for one year, then Copp becomes 2nd centre and there's about 10 mill to re sign Kandre Miller, Laf and some cheap bottom 6.
Free Agent Signings
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3$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,250,000
7$5,500,000
Trades
1.
NYR
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,500,000 retained)
VAN
  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Lundkvist, Nils
  3. 2022 5th round pick (NYR)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
  5. 2024 3rd round pick (NYR)
2.
NYR
  1. 2022 6th round pick (MTL)
Buyouts
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2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$80,313,969$0$3,732,500$1,186,031

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,641,667$3,641,667
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167
LW
RFA - 4
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,666,667$5,666,667
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$828,333$828,333 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
G
RFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RD
UFA - 7
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 2

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May 25, 2022 at 2:01 p.m.
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Montreal isn't taking Nemeth without a hell of a sweetener.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
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Pretty easy NO from Van, Habs aren't taking a pylon for free. We have enough.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.
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Hard for me to imagine JT Miller doesn’t land a 1st round pick. If the Rangers have legit interest then I can envision a package with that and the two players here.

Nemeth is a negative asset though — but that’s not the main idea here.
May 25, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.
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Came out that the Rangers reportedly offered Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st for Miller and Vancouver declined the offer. Not sure how taking away the 1st and adding a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th make it any better.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Skytown
Came out that the Rangers reportedly offered Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st for Miller and Vancouver declined the offer. Not sure how taking away the 1st and adding a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th make it any better.


What about a first, 3rd and 5th.
May 25, 2022 at 2:24 p.m.
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Rangers cannot afford to sign Miller so to them he is a 1 year rental and not worth nearly as much as a team that can sign him will pay. Why don't Canuck fans understand this simple concept. If you want to get a big return for Miller, it has to be to a team that can sign him to a new deal, and that's NOT the Rangers. Rangers PASS.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:26 p.m.
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Quoting: Skytown
Came out that the Rangers reportedly offered Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st for Miller and Vancouver declined the offer. Not sure how taking away the 1st and adding a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th make it any better.


Big difference having Miller under contract for 2 playoff (potential) runs as opposed to 1 year.

The best time for VAN to have traded him was at the past TDL...anything they get now is less than they could have gotten at TDL.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:34 p.m.
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Big difference having Miller under contract for 2 playoff (potential) runs as opposed to 1 year.

The best time for VAN to have traded him was at the past TDL...anything they get now is less than they could have gotten at TDL.


That's almost definitely wrong. In addition to teams being more able to make cap clearing moves, there will be more teams interested in him now. Non-playoff teams that want to make a splash can trade for him and sign him to a new contract.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:35 p.m.
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Fil has taken a step this postseason, so I don't think they're moving on from him. We wouldn't need Miller if we're keeping Copp. We have a lot of left handed shot options who can replace Vatrano without going out and spending more.
May 25, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Burnout
That's almost definitely wrong. In addition to teams being more able to make cap clearing moves, there will be more teams interested in him now. Non-playoff teams that want to make a splash can trade for him and sign him to a new contract.


He's already said he's not taking a discount on his next deal, so nobody is paying a high price for him that doesn't expect to have 8-9m in room to sign him the following season.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Jimbo1119
Big difference having Miller under contract for 2 playoff (potential) runs as opposed to 1 year.

The best time for VAN to have traded him was at the past TDL...anything they get now is less than they could have gotten at TDL.


This is just not true. Best for the acquiring team, sure. But the trading team (VAN) has way more options and buyers now than at the TDL. Plus the acquiring team has 12 months to work on an extension if they don't do it right away.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:45 p.m.
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lol
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May 25, 2022 at 2:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Burnout
That's almost definitely wrong. In addition to teams being more able to make cap clearing moves, there will be more teams interested in him now. Non-playoff teams that want to make a splash can trade for him and sign him to a new contract.


If there's more interest in him- it's because the price came down due to the fact he has only 1 more year under contract. And most of the non playoff teams would only seal their own fate as a perennial also-ran...should they expend big time assets on a player- who at 30 YO will be looking for his big payday- probably at/near 9M per year, with a lot of term.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:48 p.m.
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Quoting: saysthemachine
He's already said he's not taking a discount on his next deal, so nobody is paying a high price for him that doesn't expect to have 8-9m in room to sign him the following season.


I agree, this a good argument for why he has more value as an offseason trade.
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May 25, 2022 at 2:51 p.m.
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If there's more interest in him- it's because the price came down due to the fact he has only 1 more year under contract. And most of the non playoff teams would only seal their own fate as a perennial also-ran...should they expend big time assets on a player- who at 30 YO will be looking for his big payday- probably at/near 9M per year, with a lot of term.


When has that EVER stopped NHL teams before. This is always the case with situations like this. Teams value certainty and flexibility. They have flexibility in the offseason that they don't at the deadline. The deadline is good for selling teams when they're trading pure rentals, teams that are trading guys with a year or two left on their contracts almost always do better in the offseason (unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs).
May 25, 2022 at 2:55 p.m.
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lol


OP is one of yours
May 25, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Skytown
Came out that the Rangers reportedly offered Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st for Miller and Vancouver declined the offer. Not sure how taking away the 1st and adding a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th make it any better.


Never heard the actual package so that’s good to know. I think it’s going to be a TDL move for a similar package but first you guys will see how far JT can take you before a retool
May 25, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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I agree, this a good argument for why he has more value as an offseason trade.


Who's got that kind of cap space for a 2C?
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May 25, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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Very easy no from VAN.
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May 25, 2022 at 3:11 p.m.
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Quoting: saysthemachine
Who's got that kind of cap space for a 2C?


Over the last 3 seasons, Miller is 12th in points and 28th in P/60. He did that regularly playing against top competition. If he's a center, he's easily a 1C, not a 2C.
May 25, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: delneggs
Rangers cannot afford to sign Miller so to them he is a 1 year rental and not worth nearly as much as a team that can sign him will pay. Why don't Canuck fans understand this simple concept. If you want to get a big return for Miller, it has to be to a team that can sign him to a new deal, and that's NOT the Rangers. Rangers PASS.


Buddy this is a small return for Miller. A big return would be Kaako Lundqvist and a 1st.
May 25, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.
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lol


Just wanted to see if any Rags fans would say pass on this trade. Its confirmed Rags fans are unreasonable. Like buddy the Rags offered Chytil Lundqvist and a first in real life and this trade is less than that. Get real
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May 25, 2022 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Burnout
When has that EVER stopped NHL teams before. This is always the case with situations like this. Teams value certainty and flexibility. They have flexibility in the offseason that they don't at the deadline. The deadline is good for selling teams when they're trading pure rentals, teams that are trading guys with a year or two left on their contracts almost always do better in the offseason (unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs).


If what you're saying is true, then why wouldn't NYR waited until the summer to trade Ryan McDonagh? And why would San Jose trade Goodrow at TDL rather than over the summer? And the same with the Devils trading Coleman to Tampa? The answer is simple: because Tampa saw these players as needed for their ensuing playoff push -and beyond- they were willing to pay a premium for each of these guys...a premium which (even with more teams looking to add players over the summer) would not have been needed-thus better for the selling team to do so at TDL. Of course history shows that Tampa absolutely raped NYR with the McD deal- but that's not the point here.
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May 25, 2022 at 3:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Jimbo1119
If what you're saying is true, then why wouldn't NYR waited until the summer to trade Ryan McDonagh? And why would San Jose trade Goodrow at TDL rather than over the summer? And the same with the Devils trading Coleman to Tampa? The answer is simple: because Tampa saw these players as needed for their ensuing playoff push -and beyond- they were willing to pay a premium for each of these guys...a premium which (even with more teams looking to add players over the summer) would not have been needed-thus better for the selling team to do so at TDL. Of course history shows that Tampa absolutely raped NYR with the McD deal- but that's not the point here.


Are you arguing the Rangers return for McDonagh was good? Or just ignoring the part were I said "unless we're talking about a guy with very small cap hit that can fit into a contenders core for multiple cup runs".

I don't know why you think there wouldn't be a bigger market for one of the most productive players in the NHL over the last 3 seasons in the offseason, especially when that guy plays center and can go up against the other times best players consistently. I get that Rangers fans view of Miller may be coloured by his play before he got to Vancouver, but the rest of us aren't. He'd be a 1C upgrade for over two thirds of the league easily. He's not a guy that you bring in to complement a pre-existing contending core, he's a guy you add to a core because you need a high end C to contend and think he's your guy.
May 25, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: saysthemachine
He's already said he's not taking a discount on his next deal, so nobody is paying a high price for him that doesn't expect to have 8-9m in room to sign him the following season.


Same situation as Buch. GMs scattered when they heard 6m, hence the small bidding war return
 
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