Holtz + 2nd for Pastrnak

Montreal probably considers that IF we can move one of Hoffman or Drouin lol.

That is too much. Just do the 2nd overall for pasta (as been offered by Bruins fans). Or wait a year and hope he signs as UFA.

That’s an interesting proposal. Pasta in NJ would be pretty interesting. I think it would have to be an unprotected 1st in 2023 from NJ for Boston to consider though. NJ are not fully out of the rebuild yet and their G is still a massive question mark. I think Boston might take a chance on NJ still missing the playoffs especially in a tough conference.

A low 1st round pick along with the other pieces I don’t think gets them to move off of pasta.

i confused how you think it is too much, pasta is literally what holtz is supposed to become. But they key word is "supposed", Boston is still betting on holtz and whoever that 1st rd pick is to pan out.
Pasta most likely would be a sign and trade so their goes any thought of getting him in UFA, Pasta could most likely bring in an eichel like return
1. Pasta has been more consistent then eichel
2. Pasta will be coming at a much cheaper AAV then eichel
3. Pasta isn't coming off an injury that really no one knows how he will rebound/recover
4. Pasta isn't begging his team to trade him
Lets be honest we all expected buffalo to get a much bigger haul for Eichel but because of those 4 reasons i listed above Buffalo only got about 3/4 value of what eichel once was so i don't see why Pasta couldn't get similiar of more value. Pasta just proved he can score 40 goals whether top C's like Bergeron or Krecji are centering him or 3C's like Haula is centering him, he took a huge downgrade in linemates from Marchand and Bergeron to Hall and Haula yet his production stayed almost the same. he's been on pace for - 30 goals 6 years in a row - 40 goals in 3 years and - 50 goals 1 year. Now what do you think he would do with Players like Hughes and Bratt who are both elite playdrivers and playmakers, i wouldn't be surprised if pasta became a consistent 45-55 goal scorer maybe even hitting 60 one year if him hughes and bratt really click

First, this trade was for 1-year of Pastrnak. Cannot move the goalposts and say it’s a sign and trade (and how do we see those in hockey?). This is for 1-year of Pastrnak.

Second, Eichel got a bit more than I expected. Most of the trades on ACGM were looney tunes. And Eichel was not a rental.

Third, this is more than Eichel’s return. You have 4 A-level pieces included here.

Well considering Pasta and Boston are already in extension talks I'm just gonna assume if a deal they liked came onto the table it would be post extension with an approval from Pastrnak first if he would go to that team assuming he gets full or close to full NMC

I also think calling Mukhamadullin an A level piece is a bit of a stretch, Gritsyuk is a lower level A level piece at best in my opinion though especially since you run the risk he doesn't come over from Russia.

I'd be more expecting a Hughes or Holtz or Mercer + 2OA trade.
if NJ wanted to do the 23 1st if would have to be unprotected + one of Gritsyuk or Mukhamadullin as NJ could be a very strong squad next season give their very good offensive depth now and that pick could be in the 15-20 range

Habs accept

Hard pass on all those.
Thanks.

Holtz has more value because he looks like more of a sure thing than anybody available at 2. Keeping Holtz in a Pasta trade is redundant because you're just hoping he turns into another Pasta. Having one of Slafkovsky/Nemec/Jiricek + Pastrnak is a lot more valuable than having Holtz + Pastrnak IMO.

I also don't think he ever hits FA.

Okay hahah very rarely do 40 goal scorers potentially come available. Especially with a player like Jack Hughes you would think you would be more open minded to getting him players that could further his development and production, but fair enough if you wanna run the risk of trying to develop holtz and the 2OA selection who haven't proven anything yet. Pretty sure i Saw NJ was looking to move the 2OA selection anyways so i'm confused how this isn't an easy yes

Agree with a lot of what you said here, but this package is pretty close in value to the Eichel trade.

I'd be open to not taking the 2OA pick back but in replace the 23 unprotected 1st would have to come back with maybe like Gritsyuk or Mukhamadullin since B's run that risk of NJ making PO's

Ya that package is similiar to what i want in return maybe slight more then id expect

I'll pass, I don't think it would take both.

I'd be willing to make the protection just top 3 then. Can't run the risk of missing out on a generational talent next year with Bedard and Michkov.

That would be fine with me, I think B's would be pretty confident already the pick won't be in that area and more likely then 6-10 area but with the chance of being lower if they could crack a PO spot in the Metro which is very possible if after they get Pasta they fix their Goalie situation

Your ask was “Hughes or Holtz or Mercer + 2OA”
Too much.

I don’t think Devils are looking to trade 2nd overall or Hughes or Mercer or Holtz.

The 2nd overall rumor came from one answer to a question when our GM gave a very “all things on the table” type response and an out-of-town reporter took it to be we are shopping the pick. It’s just click bait.

I mean these scenarios are fun, but none are all that likely. And none of the pieces mentioned will ever get moved.

Bruins would need Holtz, 23 first rd pick, Sharangovich, gritsyuk at least to consider.