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Trade Miller and Myers

Created by: TysDeOreo
Team: 2022-23 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: May 28, 2022
Published: May 28, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Let me know waht you think but please do not be an A hole about it.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$6,250,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali [RFA Rights]
  2. Miller, K'Andre
  3. Othmann, Brennan
  4. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
  5. 2023 2nd round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Miller, J.T. ($2,125,000 retained)
2.
VAN
  1. Khudobin, Anton
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Myers, Tyler ($1,500,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$76,372,500$1,250,000$1,550,000$6,127,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$4,125,000$4,125,000
C
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$891,667$891,667 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$2,650,000$2,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
C, LW
UFA
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$900,000$900,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$7,260,000$7,260,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3

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May 28, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
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Rangers decline
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May 28, 2022 at 2:57 p.m.
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I think anywhere between 2-2.5m RS, DAL could take it
Rangers aren’t really a feasible destination for miller considering the cap situation
May 28, 2022 at 2:59 p.m.
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I think anywhere between 2-2.5m RS, DAL could take it
Rangers aren’t really a feasible destination for miller considering the cap situation


You're joking, right? Myers is still a #4 defenseman. We're taking back Khudobin's dead cap, and then retaining further. Dallas is only taking on ~1m in cap and they get the far superior player at this point for only a 3rd. There's no chance we're moving Myers at no financial savings just to get a 3rd.

I like the base idea of this trade if the money is right. I'd be hesitant at even 1.5m savings because we still need to find a replacement dman, and we won't find one at 1.5m who is better than Myers. People constantly think that just because he is overpaid that he sucks, when really he is a competent minute eater whose mistakes get blown out of proportion.

I'm not the Canucks, but I'd accept this trade if there was only 1m retained.
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May 28, 2022 at 3:00 p.m.
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Rangers decline


Why do you think? they aould be getting a 99 point player making around 2 million dollars! If the rangers do not want to give up Schnieder this is the price.
May 28, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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Why do you think? they aould be getting a 99 point player making around 2 million dollars! If the rangers do not want to give up Schnieder this is the price.


Future top 4 defenseman, Kravtzov and Othmann who are good in their own right, a 1st and a 2nd in a ridiculously deep class for a rental guy. They're not at the end of their window, they say no.
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May 28, 2022 at 3:03 p.m.
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You're joking, right? Myers is still a #4 defenseman. We're taking back Khudobin's dead cap, and then retaining further. Dallas is only taking on ~1m in cap and they get the far superior player at this point for only a 3rd. There's no chance we're moving Myers at no financial savings just to get a 3rd.


I get that. I just want to get ride of Myers and if we can acquire a 3rd round pick me doing so I am in. Maybe I shouldn't have retained salary?
May 28, 2022 at 3:04 p.m.
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Future top 4 defenseman, Kravtzov and Othmann who are good in their own right, a 1st and a 2nd in a ridiculously deep class for a rental guy. They're not at the end of their window, they say no.


Would they not be able to extend Miller?
May 28, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Wqrrior
You're joking, right? Myers is still a #4 defenseman. We're taking back Khudobin's dead cap, and then retaining further. Dallas is only taking on ~1m in cap and they get the far superior player at this point for only a 3rd. There's no chance we're moving Myers at no financial savings just to get a 3rd.

I like the base idea of this trade if the money is right. I'd be hesitant at even 1.5m savings because we still need to find a replacement dman, and we won't find one at 1.5m who is better than Myers. People constantly think that just because he is overpaid that he sucks, when really he is a competent minute eater whose mistakes get blown out of proportion.

I'm not the Canucks, but I'd accept this trade if there was only 1m retained.


He is a bottom of the barrel WAR defenseman, he’s one of the least effective defenseman in even strength defense value and pk in the whole NHL. He does provide a little offensive value but enough to be that interesting. Canucks would be a lot better if he was even somewhat effective when he is on the ice but he is not. Minute eater is not a good thing at all if they struggle against high QOC (Myers does) and provide negative value when on the ice.
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May 28, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
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Would they not be able to extend Miller?


I'd think not, considering they traded him away. This is also the price for a rental not considering extension.
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May 28, 2022 at 3:06 p.m.
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Would they not be able to extend Miller?
May 28, 2022 at 3:12 p.m.
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I don't think Dallas does this. With Khudobin's latest injury, it's entirely possible that he ends up on LTIR and retires like Bishop did. If that's the case, there's no need to pay to move him.
May 28, 2022 at 3:50 p.m.
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You don't even get K'Andre Miller alone with JT
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May 28, 2022 at 4:04 p.m.
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Rangers max offer stands at Chytil + Kravtsov + Lundkvist/Jones + 1st.
May 28, 2022 at 4:49 p.m.
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Why do you think? they aould be getting a 99 point player making around 2 million dollars! If the rangers do not want to give up Schnieder this is the price.


Keep Miller, Rangers are just fine without him.
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May 28, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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Rangers max offer stands at Chytil + Kravtsov + Lundkvist/Jones + 1st.


Rangers didn't offer that much prior to the TDL, so they would only offer less now. I bet the max Drury would offer is (Chytil OR Kravstov) + (1st round pick OR Lundqvist) + a late round pick. If the Canucks don't like that, ok, they can keep Miller or trade him elsewhere.
May 28, 2022 at 5:20 p.m.
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These JT Miller trades are getting out of hand lol
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May 28, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.
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wouldn't do Kandre 1 for 1.... Cant afford a miller extension
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May 28, 2022 at 7:30 p.m.
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Quoting: TysDeOreo
I get that. I just want to get ride of Myers and if we can acquire a 3rd round pick me doing so I am in. Maybe I shouldn't have retained salary?


Probably need to dump a second at minimum to get rid of him at 1.5M
May 28, 2022 at 9:07 p.m.
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He is a bottom of the barrel WAR defenseman, he’s one of the least effective defenseman in even strength defense value and pk in the whole NHL. He does provide a little offensive value but enough to be that interesting. Canucks would be a lot better if he was even somewhat effective when he is on the ice but he is not. Minute eater is not a good thing at all if they struggle against high QOC (Myers does) and provide negative value when on the ice.


WAR is also a useless stat in this league. He and OEL had a very effective even strength performance this year in terms of goals against. Most of his previous issues were part of our bad defensive structure which was resolved on the coaching change.
May 28, 2022 at 9:09 p.m.
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Rangers max offer stands at Chytil + Kravtsov + Lundkvist/Jones + 1st.


You can keep Kravstov lol, but that's just me. I see him as negative value. If our direction is to start fresh, I'd consider Chytil+Lundkvist+1st still. I think our issue is finding out hte teams direction, not the value of the trade.
May 28, 2022 at 9:47 p.m.
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You can keep Kravstov lol, but that's just me. I see him as negative value. If our direction is to start fresh, I'd consider Chytil+Lundkvist+1st still. I think our issue is finding out hte teams direction, not the value of the trade.

You've made it very clear you hate Kravtsov lol.

I personally am over trying to trade for Miller to be honest with you. He wasn't the same player here that he is in VAN. Bad habits tend to follow when you resurface in bad environments. 99 points is incredible and VAN should ask for a good package but it's so much more risky for us than any other team. Also hard time making that cap work unless VAN retained 50%.
 
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