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Created by: Julesens
Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2022
Published: May 28, 2022
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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EDM needs cap relief and Klefbom is dead weight. If he comes back he'll probably be a step behind the game. But if he can play well, he's an immediate upgrade on D3 with fellow countryman Brannstrom or someone else.

Brown is a guy with one more year and would be a demon for EDM on a reasonable cap hit. Maybe there is more value to be had here, and the return isn't a huge name guy like the core asked for, but there is potential for sure. I think EDM should jump at a Brown deal if this is the framework, he's such a great winger and would be Hyman Lite.

The big ouch is Jesse P. EDM wants to resign him but will have tough choices this summer, and OTT needs real value back for a guy like Brown (could easily fetch a 1st + at the deadline). He fits into Ottawa's top 9 and might be a nice winger for Stu. Also his vibes are immaculate and I want them lol. What we thinking fellas?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$7,200,000
4$2,500,000
3$2,800,000
2$1,700,000
4$3,000,000
Trades
1.
OTT
ARI
  1. Zaitsev, Nikita
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
2.
OTT
DAL
  1. Del Zotto, Michael
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anywhere
3.
OTT
  1. Klefbom, Oscar
  2. Puljujärvi, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Brown, Connor
  2. 2022 5th round pick (BOS)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$67,495,214$0$4,450,000$15,004,786
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 6
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$7,200,000$7,200,000
C
UFA - 8
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
C
UFA - 1
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
LW
RFA
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$600,000$600K)
C
RFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$762,500$762,500
LW
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$821,667$821,667
C, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
LD
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,167,000$4,167,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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May 28, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.
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Quoting: CD282
Edmonton declines the offer. Not happening.

Get a clue.

Quoting: Julesens
Imagine seeing 7 mil available for 7 players and thinking you understand the cap. Basic maths.



Um, I think it would be a bad trade for Ottawa. I personally don't want a bust for Conner Brown. But I hust saw the 2nd, so that may even things out a bit.
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May 28, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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Lol imagine this happens and your face after. Just totally bamboozled


It won't, cause everyone else understands how the cap and LTIR work.
May 28, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.
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1. If Ottawa has no money, we would have traded Brady before we signed him.

2. I think I'm someone who's looking at a thread where the author of it is losing arguments on multiple fronts.

That would be you.

3. Connor Brown might be the better player, but he's a pending UFA next season.

Puljujarvi is an RFA under team control.


Thats just not how it works lol, imagine understanding business for a hot minute
May 28, 2022 at 5:58 p.m.
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It won't, cause everyone else understands how the cap and LTIR work.


... but doesn't understand how money and business works. Sadness
May 28, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Julesens
Thats just not how it works lol, imagine understanding business for a hot minute


Yes, it is how it works.

Imagine deleting this ACGM before we're on the next page of comments lol.
May 28, 2022 at 6:02 p.m.
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Tbh I don't think Kleffbom will be back.
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May 28, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.
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Yes, it is how it works.

Imagine deleting this ACGM before we're on the next page of comments lol.


Why?
May 28, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
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Why?


buddy makes like 5 teams a day this is the stuff he lives for
May 28, 2022 at 6:09 p.m.
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buddy makes like 5 teams a day this is the stuff he lives for


It's a hobby in my spare time.
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May 28, 2022 at 6:10 p.m.
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Why?


Trying to help someone avoid further embarrassment.
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May 28, 2022 at 6:32 p.m.
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Quoting: JetsCanesSens
Um, I think it would be a bad trade for Ottawa. I personally don't want a bust for Conner Brown. But I hust saw the 2nd, so that may even things out a bit.


Puljujarvi is highly valued in Edmonton and Klefbom's NHL career is finished because of injuries. I don't see a bust.
May 28, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.
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It's a hobby in my spare time.


Ikr it's a great site.
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May 28, 2022 at 6:41 p.m.
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Trying to help someone avoid further embarrassment.


Well I mean it's his opinion I wouldn't be embarrassed by my opinion in my opinion. (If that makes sense lol)
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May 28, 2022 at 6:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Julesens
1. 13.4 for us is 5 for teams that can actually spend to the league cap. Sens have an internal cap.
2. you undervalue Brown
3. yes, but those are dollars that still need to be paid and EDM is in a cap crunch. Less money spent total is better in their situation, might have a buy out coming too


Sorry bud you don't understand LTIR. With your trade you've actually gave more cap to the Edmonton (as long as Klefbom stays on LTIR for the season.).
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May 28, 2022 at 6:57 p.m.
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Sorry bud you don't understand LTIR. With your trade you've actually gave more cap to the Edmonton (as long as Klefbom stays on LTIR for the season.).


thus "mutually beneficial" EDM is in their window now, OTT doesn't fit Brown's career trajectory. EDM gets a winger in his prime for the mid 6 and runs it back for another run when McDavid is in his Gretzky years. OTT gets a young piece to add to their eventually competing core. JP/Yama will require about the same but aren't as useful as Brown currently. You get more bang for your buck if you're EDM and rid yourself an LTIR contract (what team voluntarily pays a guy for being unable to play - no owner does that)
May 28, 2022 at 7:48 p.m.
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thus "mutually beneficial" EDM is in their window now, OTT doesn't fit Brown's career trajectory. EDM gets a winger in his prime for the mid 6 and runs it back for another run when McDavid is in his Gretzky years. OTT gets a young piece to add to their eventually competing core. JP/Yama will require about the same but aren't as useful as Brown currently. You get more bang for your buck if you're EDM and rid yourself an LTIR contract (what team voluntarily pays a guy for being unable to play - no owner does that)


Puljujarvi > Brown.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&p1=8477015&p2=8479344&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

He's among the very best in the league in on-ice impact:

CF% Rel: 4th among all forwards
FF% Rel: 5th
SF% Rel: 4th
GF% Rel: 5th
xGF% Rel: 3rd

http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=r&team=ALL&pos=F&loc=B&toi=500&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
May 28, 2022 at 8:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Julesens
thus "mutually beneficial" EDM is in their window now, OTT doesn't fit Brown's career trajectory. EDM gets a winger in his prime for the mid 6 and runs it back for another run when McDavid is in his Gretzky years. OTT gets a young piece to add to their eventually competing core. JP/Yama will require about the same but aren't as useful as Brown currently. You get more bang for your buck if you're EDM and rid yourself an LTIR contract (what team voluntarily pays a guy for being unable to play - no owner does that)


There are very few LTIR contracts that are paid by the team/owner. Virtually all, unless there is a preexisting condition are paid by insurance companies.
May 29, 2022 at 6:48 a.m.
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1. If Ottawa has no money, we would have traded Brady before we signed him.



2. I think I'm someone who's looking at a thread where the author of it is losing arguments on multiple fronts.

That would be you.



3. Connor Brown might be the better player, but he's a pending UFA next season.

Puljujarvi is an RFA under team control.



the NHL had to pay OTTs payroll 3 times in 2020,Melnyk is/was cash broke

Zeitsev is not just bad, he makes others around him bad, using a 2nd round pick to get rid of him would be worthwhile small price to pay.
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