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Jun. 4, 2022 at 5:25 a.m.
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Rick Westhead reported that 8 players from the 2018 WHJC team Canada sexually assaulted a woman which was settled, recently. These ppl could include names such as Cale Makar, Jordan Kyrou, Maxime Comtois, Drake Batherson. Why does Mailloux get more heat for sharing photos over anyone from this team that legit sexually assaulted a woman?

Mailloux should NOT be given away for making a dumb mistake which is not even a crime in most countries and wasn't even settled in Swedish court but a criminal injunction with a fine!
Jun. 4, 2022 at 6:34 a.m.
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Mailloux was the one showing photos to his friends via snapchat and quite a few countries have revenge porn laws now. Most likely the other 7 players sent sent it along to their friends and since Mailloux took the picture and started the circulation of the picture he would receive a harsher penalty than the rest.
Jun. 4, 2022 at 6:42 a.m.
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Makar has already confirmed to not being involved
Jun. 4, 2022 at 8:16 a.m.
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One bad act doesn't wash out the other. What Mailloux did was disgusting, and he absolutely deserves all the hate he's received. Frankly he deserved to suffer a lot more consequences than he ultimately did. There should be more of a bar to having a million dollar pro sports career than simply being good at sports, especially in a sport like Hockey where everyone refuses to shut up about the importance of Character.

What those 8 players did was reprehensible, and when and if those names come out those players at the absolute minimum should never play another game in the NHL ever again. Full contract termination and a lifetime ban. But at the moment, we don't know who was involved. We don't even know how many of these guys were even on that team, so at this stage wildly speculating on who may or may not have been involved is really just gross and not really appropriate at all. The only recourse for fans of the sport who feel hurt and angered by this event is to direct that sentiment to organizations like Hockey Canada, the CHL and the NHL, to get answers and to try and address on a systemic level the culture problems that exist in hockey that lead young men to believe they are allowed to treat women like this. Because it's not just a problem with Mailloux, or with these eight players, it's a problem in hockey at all levels in this Country. These stories happen across the country in all levels of organized hockey from Bantam to the NHL.
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 8:39 a.m.
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What if, and hear me out because this is complicated, everyone who commits sex crimes, ranging from revenge porn to assault, doesn’t get to have lucrative careers playing a kids game? Seems reasonable, yeah?

At a bare minimum, at least make these people show that they’ve earned a second chance (because it’s possible). It’s been less than a year for this kid. How would you feel if it were your daughter’s abuser getting to play pro hockey less than a year after he violated her?
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 8:58 a.m.
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First off: Cale Makar and a couple of others players’ agents confirmed they were not involved in the incident. If and when those names come out, I imagine there will be consequences for those players who were involved in something so terrible.

The problem with Mailloux and the Habs is not just that he did something stupid and illegal that altered another person’s life. Mailloux came out publicly and made the appropriate statements asking for teams not to draft him so he can improve himself. I won’t speculate whether that was genuine remorse or just skilled PR. But the Habs outright ignored that and made him a 1st round pick. That was such an unforced error.

I am all for players having the opportunity for redemption. I hope Mailloux feels genuine remorse and grows from this. I hope he uses his platform to do good in the world. The problem is that the Habs gave him a free pass and didn’t hold him accountable for showing that growth before giving him a path to the NHL. That’s why Mailloux gets so much flak in my opinion.
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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Quoting: HeadHighSauce
What if, and hear me out because this is complicated, everyone who commits sex crimes, ranging from revenge porn to assault, doesn’t get to have lucrative careers playing a kids game? Seems reasonable, yeah?

At a bare minimum, at least make these people show that they’ve earned a second chance (because it’s possible). It’s been less than a year for this kid. How would you feel if it were your daughter’s abuser getting to play pro hockey less than a year after he violated her?


Yeah, that's such an important part, particularly with Mailloux, and it's a big part of why the Habs drafting him was so gross. Mailloux, or at least his family/representation knew he would need that time to understand and learn and grow before he would be deserving of that second chance. The lesson the Habs taught him, along with any young hocky eplayers is that, "no, you don't need to worry about any of that. You're a talented kid so you just get a pass".
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:15 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Yeah, that's such an important part, particularly with Mailloux, and it's a big part of why the Habs drafting him was so gross. Mailloux, or at least his family/representation knew he would need that time to understand and learn and grow before he would be deserving of that second chance. The lesson the Habs taught him, along with any young hocky eplayers is that, "no, you don't need to worry about any of that. You're a talented kid so you just get a pass".


That hasn't been the case though. He was always going to get drafted, there were other teams going to take him in the second round.

And the Habs have been making him earn that second chance, hasn't been signed, has been following a strict off ice course that was designed and implemented by professionals that were hired specifically for this situation and from all accounts has been genuine throughout the entire process. They've even had his therapists and counselors submit reports on him saying that he has been genuine in his redemption. He won't be signed for another year and even then only if he continues on this positive path.
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:31 a.m.
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That hasn't been the case though. He was always going to get drafted, there were other teams going to take him in the second round.

And the Habs have been making him earn that second chance, hasn't been signed, has been following a strict off ice course that was designed and implemented by professionals that were hired specifically for this situation and from all accounts has been genuine throughout the entire process. They've even had his therapists and counselors submit reports on him saying that he has been genuine in his redemption. He won't be signed for another year and even then only if he continues on this positive path.


Those other teams who would draft him in the 2nd round are still culpable here. But there’s a big difference in getting drafted in the 1st round with all of that fanfare vs in a later round.
Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:34 a.m.
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Edited Jun. 4, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.
Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Yeah, that's such an important part, particularly with Mailloux, and it's a big part of why the Habs drafting him was so gross. Mailloux, or at least his family/representation knew he would need that time to understand and learn and grow before he would be deserving of that second chance. The lesson the Habs taught him, along with any young hocky eplayers is that, "no, you don't need to worry about any of that. You're a talented kid so you just get a pass".


Agreed. Even if it was purely from the perspective of "if you get drafted this summer this story will follow you around your entire career, but if you recuse yourself from the draft and spend a year publicly making amends, and get drafted in '22 instead, the story becomes one of you taking ownership, showing remorse and maturity, and being a better man"... then Montreal robbed him of that chance at redemption. This story will absolutely follow him around throughout his career.
Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:38 a.m.
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Those other teams who would draft him in the 2nd round are still culpable here. But there’s a big difference in getting drafted in the 1st round with all of that fanfare vs in a later round.


I honestly think it's going to work out better by him being drafted early and to a highly notable team. If he was drafted later by a team no one cares about he likely gets more of a pass over. This way he is forced to either be better as a person or never make the NHL. Another team or situation likely just waits a year, doesn't give him any counseling or therapy, signs him and gives him an easier path the the NHL and avoiding the media spot light
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:53 a.m.
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The Canadiens got heat because they drafted someone that was already known to have committed those acts. The players above could have been some of the 8 players but we don't know any of the names. Also a couple players that you listed weren't there at the time or have confirmed that they had no involvement. It is Innocent until proven guilty and we already know Mallioux was guilty but the players who listed haven't been proven guilty yet. That's why there isn't a lot of heat on them right now
Jun. 4, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.
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Agreed. Even if it was purely from the perspective of "if you get drafted this summer this story will follow you around your entire career, but if you recuse yourself from the draft and spend a year publicly making amends, and get drafted in '22 instead, the story becomes one of you taking ownership, showing remorse and maturity, and being a better man"... then Montreal robber him of that chance at redemption. This story will absolutely follow him around throughout his career.


That's the thing. Say there are two high schoolers who aren't going to graduate because they haven't been going to class. One of them ends up failing, accepts the consequences, repeats the year, puts in the work and ultimately graduates. The other kid is given a mulligan because someone on the school board thinks that he "has potential" and not only does he graduate, he's now offered a full scholarship if he attends a few self reflection courses that summer. Which of those kids is gonna learn from their experience and grow? Teenagers don't learn hard lessons without hard consequences.
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Jun. 4, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.
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A) it’s actually 8 people participated and SOME were CHL WJC 2018 players ( which excludes someone like Makar who was not a CHL player ) and B) we don’t know the name so of course Mailloux will get more flak, we can’t speculate on Mailloux. Hughes is doing the right thing with Mailloux and not signing him until he shows he’s progressed ( barely played this year ) and is a better person than he was previously
 
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