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Scheifele

Created by: Bruins1054_gmb
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2022
Published: Jun. 6, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Boston Bruins
Team Explanation
I already understand that Bruins fans will tell me it's too much and that Scheifele doesn't fit the Bruins mold, and Jets fans will say the deal doesn't happen without Carlo or Lysell.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Ahcan, Jack2$800,000
Filipe, Matt1$750,000
Keyser, Kyle2$762,500
Wolff, Nick1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Bergeron, Patrice1$4,000,000
Brown, Joshua1$900,000
Frödén, Jesper1$750,000
Lewington, Tyler1$750,000
Deslauriers, Nicolas3$1,750,000
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Scheifele, Mark
WPG
  1. Studnicka, Jack [RFA Rights]
  2. DeBrusk, Jake
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
2.
BOS
  1. 2023 4th round pick (NYI)
  2. 2023 7th round pick (NYI)
Discount price due to Reilly's injury
NYI
  1. Reilly, Mike
Buyouts
  • Nick Foligno: $1,933,334
Buried
  • Chris Wagner: $225,000 ($1,350,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$66,771,251$0$2,650,000$15,728,749

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
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Hall, Taylor
$6,000,000
LW
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
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Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
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Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
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Haula, Erik
$2,375,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Bergeron, Patrice
$4,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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Smith, Craig
$3,100,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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Frederic, Trent
$1,050,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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Coyle, Charlie
$5,250,000
C, RW
NMC NTC
UFA - 4
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McLaughlin, Marc
$883,750
C
RFA - 1
Deslauriers, Nicolas
$1,750,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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Nosek, Tomas
$1,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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Steen, Oskar
$800,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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Koppanen, Joona
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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Frödén, Jesper
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Lindholm, Hampus
$6,500,000
LD
NMC NTC
UFA - 8
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Carlo, Brandon
$4,100,000
RD
UFA - 5
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Swayman, Jeremy
$925,000
G
RFA - 1
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Forbort, Derek
$3,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Clifton, Connor
$1,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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Ullmark, Linus
$5,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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Zboril, Jakub
$1,137,500
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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Brown, Joshua
$900,000
RD
UFA - 2
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Ahcan, Jack
$800,000
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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McAvoy, Charlie
$9,500,000
RD
UFA - 8
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Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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Grzelcyk, Matt
$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Pastrnak, D.
Bergeron, P.
Hall, T.
Scheifele, M.
Lindholm, H.
Power Play 2
Haula, E.
Coyle, C.
Smith, C.
Zboril, J.
Clifton, C.
Penalty Kill 1
Bergeron, P.
Haula, E.
Forbort, D.
Carlo, B.
Penalty Kill 2
Nosek, T.
Steen, O.
Lindholm, H.
Brown, J.

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Jun. 6 at 1:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Look at the Eichel trade. This proposal is very similar and Eichel had more value than Scheifele.


There wasn't a single worthless piece (like Studnica) in the Eichel trade and none of the pieces going to Buffalo had reduced their value by requesting a trade.

Plus all the players going to Buffalo filled needs for them while both players offered here don't fill a need fir the Jets.
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Jun. 6 at 1:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Already acknowledged that Jets fans would say something like that in the description. I think Jets fans overestimate what the return would be.


i agree jets fans overrate schiefele, but bruins fans also overrate debrusk and studnicka
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Jun. 6 at 1:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
There wasn't a single worthless piece (like Studnica) in the Eichel trade and none of the pieces going to Buffalo had reduced their value by requesting a trade.

Plus all the players going to Buffalo filled needs for them while both players offered here don't fill a need fir the Jets.


What you hope the Jets get for Scheifele and what they will get are two totally different things.
Jun. 6 at 1:56 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
It actually fits really well. All are expected to miss at least 25% of the season. Plenty of room.


Quoting: CMcAvoy73
They’re all expected to miss a quarter of the season+. Multiply that 19M number by .75 an try again.


Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
You're also not taking into consideration the cap hits of players that will be removed from the roster after those 3 players return.


It's always awkward when you double and triple down on things but people who know how things actually work see that you're wrong and when they try to point it out to you, you just tell them that they are wrong.

I think the key confusion here is that when you are an LTIR team you don't accrue capspace like you normally would, that is the penalty for being in LTIR. I didn't know much about it until the Jets actually became an LTIR team, so I'm pretty sure this is where the confusion is. Even when you waive 3 guys and save $2,300,000 worth of players, you're still over the cap. Trying to get the extra $1.3M off by going with a 22 or 21 person roster does cause problems whenever there is an injury/illness as you don't have room to call guys up unless you LTIR the person that got hurt.

So you could maybe tinker with the roster some more to become compliant, but additional cap dumps would need to happen as it doesn't look like you'd be compliant with this.

As for the trade, I would expect the Jets to just keep Scheif and see what happens with the new coach before doing a deal like this. Next offseason we could probably still expect to get a 1st, roster player and prospect for him. It's already a '23 1st being offered here so really we lose the value of a 2nd round pick by waiting and maybe get a roster player that we could actually use instead of another winger.
Jun. 6 at 1:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
What you hope the Jets get for Scheifele and what they will get are two totally different things.


And what you hope you can get Scheifele for and what he will actually cost are two totally different things.
Jun. 6 at 1:59 p.m.
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
On what planet? They're all 6 month recovery times. I don't know about you. but that comes to late November early December hardly 1/4 of the season.

And FYI that only eats real money not the cap hit which still remains the same.


No, the cap hit is prorated. Thats true of any player, whether or not they’re on LTIR. The NHL season is roughly 180 days. I think the number they use is 183. If a player is on the roster for 100 days, his cap hit is pro-rated at roughly 55% of his AAV.

This team would be cap compliant if the players all make their expected recovery.
Jun. 6 at 2:01 p.m.
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Quoting: jimmyjets
It's always awkward when you double and triple down on things but people who know how things actually work see that you're wrong and when they try to point it out to you, you just tell them that they are wrong.

I think the key confusion here is that when you are an LTIR team you don't accrue capspace like you normally would, that is the penalty for being in LTIR. I didn't know much about it until the Jets actually became an LTIR team, so I'm pretty sure this is where the confusion is. Even when you waive 3 guys and save $2,300,000 worth of players, you're still over the cap. Trying to get the extra $1.3M off by going with a 22 or 21 person roster does cause problems whenever there is an injury/illness as you don't have room to call guys up unless you LTIR the person that got hurt.

So you could maybe tinker with the roster some more to become compliant, but additional cap dumps would need to happen as it doesn't look like you'd be compliant with this.

As for the trade, I would expect the Jets to just keep Scheif and see what happens with the new coach before doing a deal like this. Next offseason we could probably still expect to get a 1st, roster player and prospect for him. It's already a '23 1st being offered here so really we lose the value of a 2nd round pick by waiting and maybe get a roster player that we could actually use instead of another winger.


Sheesh, it takes guts to be this confidently wrong.

You’re correct that you can’t, “bank,” LTIR space as you can with real cap room. However players cap hits are prorated based on the time they miss. Its the whole point of LTIR. If a player has an AAV of $10M, and is on LTIR for the first 20% of NHL season days, 80% of his cap hit is applied. Cap space is a daily function, not a yearly function.
Jun. 6 at 2:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
There wasn't a single worthless piece (like Studnica) in the Eichel trade and none of the pieces going to Buffalo had reduced their value by requesting a trade.

Plus all the players going to Buffalo filled needs for them while both players offered here don't fill a need fir the Jets.


How has Debrusks trade request reduced his value?
Jun. 6 at 2:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Look at the Eichel trade. This proposal is very similar and Eichel had more value than Scheifele.


To be fair eichel wanted out of Buffalo and needed a a serious neck surgery and the return was much much more than what’s proposed here.
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Jun. 6 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Look at the Eichel trade. This proposal is very similar and Eichel had more value than Scheifele.


What???? Tuch>>>>DeBrusk and Krebs>>>>>>>>>>>>>Studnicka it’s not even close to that deal man. Take off the homer glasses
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Jun. 6 at 3:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Bruins1054_gmb
Look at the Eichel trade. This proposal is very similar and Eichel had more value than Scheifele.


The Eichel return was definitely better than this (as it should as Eichel is better, but this is still a lackluster return for Scheifele)

Tuch > Debrusk
Krebs >>>> Studnicka
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