Isles say F no

Yea cuz a random defenseman, 2 2nds and a 4th is equal to 13OA. Now islanders off Bailey for Raymond and Seider

Like I said, I don’t know the value. Would 2 2nds and a prospect like McIsaac or Grewe do it?

no lmao. It would take Vrana, a future 2nd and some prospect.

Isles trade isn't happening. LOL

Yzerman shouldn't be dealing with Lou. That 2nd we gave to the Isles for Leddy turned out to be Aatu Raty. ☹️

Doesn’t have to be the Islanders, just a team in that Kasper/Geekie range

Just to give some context: you're offering Oesterle, #48, #52, & #112 for #13. Dom @ the Athletic has a draft value chart based on your expected GSVA for each pick - basically looks at the the first 7 years of each pick from 2000-2019 and calculates how valuable that player was to his team during his first 7 years (the years a team would have control over them.)

#13 is valued at 5.3 GSVA. #48 & 52 are, predictably, similar in value - 1.7 & 1.5 GSVA respectively. #112 is worth 0.4. So in picks alone, Detroit is offering 3.6 GSVA worth of value for a pick valued at 5.3 - so they're 1.7 GSVA short, and that's before you factor in the idea that the team moving up should overpay - I only think it's fair to do so though. Give a team a reason to give up the better asset and all.

Jordan Oesterle is not enough to make up that gap - he was worth -1.3 GSVA this season and the three seasons before was never worth more than 0.0 - the replacement player's replacement player. I'd argue that the Red Wings would have to offer something close to the value of an early 2nd-round pick to even get near fair value on this (FWIW, the players on the Red Wings this season that fit that value would've been Robby Fabbri, but I could also understand that it's unlikely Detroit would be trading guys like that just to move up in the draft - just bringing him to give an idea of the value.)

Hell no

This is helpful. Thank you

So buffalo or Arizona both have late 1st that might be attainable. Probably not low enough for kasper or Geekie but maybe for guys like Mcgroarty, ostlund, or Hughes to get 2 kicks at a center.

No shot on that NYI deal. Maybe an unprotected 2023 1st would do it for them but doesn’t make sense for Detroit. Possibly something around Wallinder but what’s the point?


If Bailey ends up dead we know who did it.

That was the whole idea.

I'd love to get a 2nd forward, if we drafted Gauthier and any of those other guys our forwards prospects look so much better.

If Detroit picks up a 2nd for a cap dump, there’s plenty of assets that could create a trade for a 2nd 1st round pick.

Isles counter with 2 2nds and a 3rd for 8oa

Flames decline, a healthy Monahan wont cost assets to move

Fair point.

Too bad Monahan hasn’t been healthy in YEARS

Not relevant if he is healthy now

Is he though?

Probably will be soon, he will start skating some time this month. If not then it's just LTIR until next summer

So you acknowledge that there is a possibility he may be hurt until next summer. Which means he is a cap dump. Which means the flames will have to pay to move him. Or lose Gaudreau

Thats not how that works at all. Come on man this isn't rocket science. If he (unlikely) cant play next year because something went wrong with the surgery Calgary simply just LTIR's him and free up the cap space. If he can play next year because the surgery was successful and there were no issues then he is healthy.

Good luck getting assets for Monahan

Im not the GM, Lucic is probably moved instead though