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Possible Pasta Dishes

Created by: puckhead6130
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 8, 2022
Published: Jun. 8, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Boston Bruins
Trades
1.
BOS
  1. Coronato, Matthew [Reserve List]
  2. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
CGY
  1. Pastrnak, David
2.
BOS
  1. Drury, Jack
  2. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  3. Necas, Martin [RFA Rights]
CAR
    Pastrnak, David
    3.
    BOS
    1. Jones, Zachary
    2. Kakko, Kaapo [RFA Rights]
    3. Kravtsov, Vitali [RFA Rights]
    4. 2023 1st round pick (NYR)
    NYR
    4.
    BOS
    1. Sanderson, Jake
    2. 2022 1st round pick (OTT)
    OTT
      Pastrnak, David
      5.
      BOS
      1. Bertuzzi, Tyler
      2. Hronek, Filip
      3. Zadina, Filip [RFA Rights]
      DET
        Pastrnak, David
        6.
        BOS
        1. Boeser, Brock [RFA Rights]
        2. McDonough, Aidan [Reserve List]
        3. Rathbone, Jack [RFA Rights]
        VAN
          Pastrnak, David
          7.
          BOS
          1. Faber, Brock [Reserve List]
          2. Moore, Trevor
          3. Turcotte, Alex
          4. 2022 1st round pick (LAK)
          LAK
            Pastrnak, David
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            28$82,500,000$88,144,167$0$2,625,000-$5,644,167
            Left WingCentreRight Wing
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            Marchand, Brad
            $6,125,000
            LW
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            Coyle, Charlie
            $5,250,000
            C, RW
            M-NTC, NMC
            UFA - 4
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            Smith, Craig
            $3,100,000
            RW, C
            UFA - 1
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            Hall, Taylor
            $6,000,000
            LW
            M-NTC, NMC
            UFA - 3
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            Haula, Erik
            $2,375,000
            LW, C
            UFA - 1
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            Wagner, Chris
            $1,350,000
            RW, C
            UFA - 1
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            DeBrusk, Jake
            $4,000,000
            RW, LW
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            Nosek, Tomas
            $1,750,000
            C, LW
            UFA - 1
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            Moore, Trevor
            $1,875,000
            LW, RW
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            Foligno, Nick
            $3,800,000
            LW, C, RW
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            UFA - 1
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            Frederic, Trent
            $1,050,000
            LW, RW
            RFA - 1
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            Bertuzzi, Tyler
            $4,750,000
            LW, RW
            UFA - 1
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            Steen, Oskar
            $800,000
            C, RW
            RFA - 2
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            Drury, Jack
            $925,000
            C
            RFA - 2
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            Turcotte, Alex
            $894,167
            C
            RFA - 2
            Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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            Lindholm, Hampus
            $6,500,000
            LD
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            UFA - 8
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            McAvoy, Charlie
            $9,500,000
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            UFA - 8
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            Ullmark, Linus
            $5,000,000
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            NMC
            UFA - 3
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            Grzelcyk, Matt
            $3,687,500
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            UFA - 2
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            Carlo, Brandon
            $4,100,000
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            UFA - 5
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            Swayman, Jeremy
            $925,000
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            RFA - 1
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            Forbort, Derek
            $3,000,000
            LD
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            Reilly, Mike
            $3,000,000
            LD
            UFA - 2
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            Zboril, Jakub
            $1,137,500
            LD/RD
            UFA - 2
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            Clifton, Connor
            $1,000,000
            LD/RD
            UFA - 1
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            Jones, Zachary
            $925,000
            LD
            RFA - 1
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            Sanderson, Jake
            $925,000
            LD
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            Hronek, Filip
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.
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            those returns are all over the place, some are ok, others are pretty damn poor
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 11:38 a.m.
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            I'd rather have Tkachuk, who just scored 40 goals and 100 points over Pastrnak who just got 40 goals and 72 points
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 11:43 a.m.
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            Canes should not be in this at all…what is the likelihood that Pasta signs a team friendly long term deal (which is what Canes would want)? My guess is zero, or that would be done in BOS.

            Assets like what you are asking for with the Canes need to come with contract term for us, and there is very low probability that happens in Carolina.
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 11:49 a.m.
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            When was the last time a player like Pasta was traded with one year left on their contract? Mark Stone comes to mind but that was at the TDL if I remember correctly & then immediately signed extension.

            The return there was Brannstrom, 2nd rounder, & Oscar Lindberg.
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 12:00 p.m.
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            Detroit declines, not giving up three assets to get one, especially not a rental.
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 12:02 p.m.
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            Quoting: Billy12Bob
            Detroit declines, not giving up three assets to get one, especially not a rental.


            These are all assuming he signs long term
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 12:04 p.m.
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            Quoting: puckhead6130
            These are all assuming he signs long term


            Doesn't change anything, rebuilding teams accrue assets not give them up.
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 12:16 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            When was the last time a player like Pasta was traded with one year left on their contract? Mark Stone comes to mind but that was at the TDL if I remember correctly & then immediately signed extension.

            The return there was Brannstrom, 2nd rounder, & Oscar Lindberg.


            i think people forget how much brannstrom was valued as a prospect at the time of the trade. he was a top 5 defense prospect back then. in hindsight it doesnt look so good but that was still a lot of value (but i agree some of these trades are just too much.)
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.
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            Quoting: drambui
            i think people forget how much brannstrom was valued as a prospect at the time of the trade. he was a top 5 defense prospect back then. in hindsight it doesnt look so good but that was still a lot of value (but i agree some of these trades are just too much.)

            He was rated in that 20-50 rankings during the time of trade. I followed him somewhat close since I’ve been a VGK fan (local) and I don’t ever recall any analyst calling him a blue chipper. He was a solid offensive defensemen but at the same the upcoming draft had guys like Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, and Smith that immediately jumped him in any rankings.

            https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nhl/news/nhl-prospect-rankings-top-50-players-nhl-pipelines-2019-20/f5rpke886k4d1a2st6s5ym20x
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            He was rated in that 20-50 rankings during the time of trade. I followed him somewhat close since I’ve been a VGK fan (local) and I don’t ever recall any analyst calling him a blue chipper. He was a solid offensive defensemen but at the same the upcoming draft had guys like Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, and Smith that immediately jumped him in any rankings.

            https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nhl/news/nhl-prospect-rankings-top-50-players-nhl-pipelines-2019-20/f5rpke886k4d1a2st6s5ym20x


            isnt that a year after the trade though? i get your opinion, but to understand the trade value then we have to look at specificly what was his value at that time. and i know there was a a fair amount of good d in 2018, but at the time of the trade for brannstrom, they only played had played in minors still so it was hard for them to raise their value until the end of their d+1 season. i can try to look for a prospect list for the right year.
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 1:58 p.m.
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            Quoting: drambui
            isnt that a year after the trade though? i get your opinion, but to understand the trade value then we have to look at specificly what was his value at that time. and i know there was a a fair amount of good d in 2018, but at the time of the trade for brannstrom, they only played had played in minors still so it was hard for them to raise their value until the end of their d+1 season. i can try to look for a prospect list for the right year.

            No that 2018 draft included those defensive prospects and Brannstrom was traded in Feb 2019. I merely grabbed that link since it was the first in a search. Here’s probably the most accurate for timing & a reflection of an overall listing of top 50 after looking at the list (although I’m shocked @ Dobsons ranking since he carried his team in the playoffs).

            https://theathletic.com/442466/2018/07/27/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2018-edition/?amp=1
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:12 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            No that 2018 draft included those defensive prospects and Brannstrom was traded in Feb 2019. I merely grabbed that link since it was the first in a search. Here’s probably the most accurate for timing & a reflection of an overall listing of top 50 after looking at the list (although I’m shocked Dobsons ranking since he carried his team in the playoffs).

            https://theathletic.com/442466/2018/07/27/wheeler-the-top-50-drafted-nhl-prospects-ranking-2018-edition/?amp=1


            you are 100% right! i forgot it was a deadline trade for a moment and i though it was an offseason, my bad!
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            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:19 p.m.
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            Quoting: drambui
            you are 100% right! i forgot it was a deadline trade for a moment and i though it was an offseason, my bad!

            All good, that being said I think the whole ordeal with Stone was that Karlsson/Hoffman ordeal so acquiring assets for a faster rebuild. Would that apply with Boston in a deal involving shipping Pasta out? Probably, I’d be curious to see what he returns and I’d wager it’s closer to Stone’s return then some posts I’ve seen on here.
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:28 p.m.
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            I would like Pastrnak of course but I am not ready to part with Jake Sanderson (and the 7th OA pick on top of it)

            I can do :

            7th OA pick
            Lassi Thomson or Jacob Bernard-Docker
            Roby jarventie or Egor Sokolov
            2nd round pick
            Colin White

            if not then too bad.
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:50 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            He was rated in that 20-50 rankings during the time of trade. I followed him somewhat close since I’ve been a VGK fan (local) and I don’t ever recall any analyst calling him a blue chipper. He was a solid offensive defensemen but at the same the upcoming draft had guys like Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard, Boqvist, and Smith that immediately jumped him in any rankings.


            Brannstrom was still ranked highly until very recently

            He was 19th here (April 2021)

            https://www.tsn.ca/detroit-red-wings-blue-chippers-montreal-canadiens-cole-caufield-headline-top-75-prospects-list-1.1617205
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:52 p.m.
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            As much as I’d love to watch Pasta and Bread on the same line the only way to make it work for the Rangers is if Boston retained 50% so it’s probably unlikely. And our best package would be something like Kakko+ one of Lundkvist or Jones + 2023 1st
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 2:56 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            All good, that being said I think the whole ordeal with Stone was that Karlsson/Hoffman ordeal so acquiring assets for a faster rebuild. Would that apply with Boston in a deal involving shipping Pasta out? Probably, I’d be curious to see what he returns and I’d wager it’s closer to Stone’s return then some posts I’ve seen on here.


            i also remember that stone was only willing to extend to a very limited amount of team, that might have reduced to possible return aswell. i think pasta's value is higher then strome, but i think a a very good propect and a first will be the price. (but i also dont think he will be traded too)
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 3:23 p.m.
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            Quoting: Xspyrit
            Brannstrom was still ranked highly until very recently

            He was 19th here (April 2021)

            https://www.tsn.ca/detroit-red-wings-blue-chippers-montreal-canadiens-cole-caufield-headline-top-75-prospects-list-1.1617205

            His current ranking doesn’t retroactively reflect his value from over 3 years ago. I’ve provided 2 listings from around that time that supports my initial statement.

            Quoting: drambui
            i also remember that stone was only willing to extend to a very limited amount of team, that might have reduced to possible return aswell. i think pasta's value is higher then strome, but i think a a very good propect and a first will be the price. (but i also dont think he will be traded too)

            Every high end player will only sign with a handful of teams for various reasons (eg family, location, taxes, etc). To assume Pasta will sign with every is a bit off to me. I’m just saying that some people are expecting an insane return in both directions (overpayment/underpayment) based on comparable trades without any support to their claim.
            Jun. 8, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
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            Quoting: BStinson
            His current ranking doesn’t retroactively reflect his value from over 3 years ago. I’ve provided 2 listings from around that time that supports my initial statement.


            I wasn't arguing or anything, in fact I haven't read your conversation. I was just adding that even until last year, he was still considered a top prospect by some.

            And he has done relatively well for a 21-22 y/o undersized D-man. He has 27 pts in 83 games since last season. NOTE that he has played half of his time with Josh Brown, seems like a good guy but barely a NHL player (IMO). Brannstrom looked good when paired with Artem Zub
             
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