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Gibson Thoughts

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Team: 2022-23 Washington Capitals
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 14, 2022
Published: Jun. 14, 2022
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General thoughts on this team:

I have done the Varly for VV and a 2nd multiple times, so trying something new with Gibson.

I kept Wilson on IR so the salary would count, but realistically, he would be on LTIR so the Caps would have more than enough space to bring up a player from Hershey (Snively) to play the 13th forward role.

Goalies: I think this trade is the MOST I would be willing to trade for Gibson. Thought about making the pick a conditional 2nd, but didn't want to be bias. A 1st, a solid 1b goalie, and a top RHD prospect is a solid turnout for a goalie who has slightly above average numbers on a bad team. Hopefully he can regain his play on a contending team.

Forwards: I think this is a very dangerous forward group. Bringing in the FAs here provides both offensive and defensive abilities (maybe Trocheck gets more salary wise, but who knows). Just imagine putting Wilson in there once he is back too...

Defense: This is the part I am worried about, specifically the bottom pair. Can Alexeyev or Johansen take the reins for that last dman?
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3$800,000
2$2,250,000
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5$5,500,000
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  1. Gibson, John
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2023 1st
VV = basically a 2nd pick worth
Iorio = top 4 potential RHD

I think this is a lot to give up for a goalie who has slightly above average stats on a bad team, but Caps have to make moves to keep the window open for another 2-3 years
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  1. Iorio, Vincent
  2. Vanecek, Vitek
  3. 2023 1st round pick (WSH)
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  1. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
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  1. Eller, Lars
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21$82,500,000$71,760,000$100,000$0$10,740,000
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Ovechkin, Alex
$9,500,000$9,500,000
LW
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UFA - 4
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Kuznetsov, Evgeny
$3,900,000$3,900,000
C
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UFA - 3
Nichushkin, Valeri
$5,500,000$5,500,000
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UFA - 8
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Sheary, Conor
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UFA - 1
Trocheck, Vincent
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C, RW
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Mantha, Anthony
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UFA - 2
Namestnikov, Vladislav
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LW, RW, C
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Waivers ExemptMcMichael, Connor
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Oshie, T.J.
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Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel
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Dowd, Nic
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Hathaway, Garnet
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Fehérváry, Martin
$791,667$791,667
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Carlson, John
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RD
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UFA - 4
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Gibson, John
$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
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UFA - 5
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Orlov, Dmitry
$1,275,000$1,275,000
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Jensen, Nick
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Samsonov, Ilya
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Alexeyev, Alexander
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van Riemsdyk, Trevor
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Johansen, Lucas
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Wilson, Tom
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Hagelin, Carl
$2,750,000$2,750,000
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UFA - 1
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Bäckström, Nicklas
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C
NMC
UFA - 3

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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:25 p.m.
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I'd rather trade Sammy and keep Vitek but I'm being picky.
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:26 p.m.
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I'd rather trade Sammy and keep Vitek but I'm being picky.


Yeah I thought about that. I just think Sammy has a higher potential (and can potentially steal a game for you) - but again, would be fine either/or.
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:27 p.m.
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This isn’t the worst one I’ve seen but I still don’t see it happening
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:28 p.m.
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Vitek is worth more but still I rather trade Samsonov
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:29 p.m.
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As a Caps fan, I like this team. Gibson is a great goalie, and I think with this team in front of him, he could put up some very good numbers.
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:30 p.m.
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Pens fan here— solid team
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:33 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
This isn’t the worst one I’ve seen but I still don’t see it happening


Don't see it happening because of the Ducks keeping Gibson or because the trade isn't enough? If not enough, what would you want to add then?

Already have a 1st, a solid 1b goalie, and a very high prospect (top 4 RHD)

This is a lot to give up for a goalie who hasn't had a season with above .905% over the last 3 season (yes I know he faces a ton of shots and high dangerous chances)
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:34 p.m.
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also did you put Wilson on Injured reserve because he is injured right now or you think he is gonna get suspended again because I have no clue if he is injured right now
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:35 p.m.
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also did you put Wilson on Injured reserve because he is injured right now or you think he is gonna get suspended again because I have no clue if he is injured right now


Torn ACL - out until ~Feb. But I wanted to keep him on LR so the cap would count. He will be on LTIR until he comes back
Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafs_Addict_On_The_Radio
also did you put Wilson on Injured reserve because he is injured right now or you think he is gonna get suspended again because I have no clue if he is injured right now


He's missing a decent chunk of the season with a torn ACL.
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Torn ACL - out until ~Feb. But I wanted to keep him on LR so the cap would count. He will be on LTIR until he comes back


Thanks
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:37 p.m.
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Thats probably a bit too much for trocheck both in term and aav -- with the savings you probably scrape enough to sign a vet d to the minimum if alexeyev and johansen flop.

For the gibson trade, his stats have been bad, not average, for the past three years, and those stats remain bad when accounting for the strength of the team in front of him. That would be the absolute absolute maximum I would give up for him, and would want the ducks to either take back hagelin or downgrade the prospect from Iorio to Johnson/Leason/Protas level at least.

That said, this would be a really nice team
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:38 p.m.
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Quoting: CapsJets
As a Caps fan, I like this team. Gibson is a great goalie, and I think with this team in front of him, he could put up some very good numbers.


Norris Trophy contender Nick Jensen in front of him, he should put up .930
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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Thats probably a bit too much for trocheck both in term and aav -- with the savings you probably scrape enough to sign a vet d to the minimum if alexeyev and johansen flop.

For the gibson trade, his stats have been bad, not average, for the past three years, and those stats remain bad when accounting for the strength of the team in front of him. That would be the absolute absolute maximum I would give up for him, and would want the ducks to either take back hagelin or downgrade the prospect from Iorio to Johnson/Leason/Protas level at least.

That said, this would be a really nice team


You and I are on the same wave length on everything you said.

I signed Trocheck for that much because I didn't want to see the comments "Trocheck gets more". With the scrapes, a vet d to league minimum would be great.

So funny you say that: For Gibson trade, I tried to take out biasness (and also didn't want to hear the "not enough" for Gibson - despite that, still got a comment like that lol). I wouldn't give ANYTHING more than what I would above. I thought about taking Iorio out and putting Leason but opted not to (to avoid bias). Also thought about making the pick a conditional 2nd (if Caps make the Cup finals and Gibson plays 10+ games, turns to a first).

But overall, your thoughts were exactly mine as well.
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
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Norris Trophy contender Nick Jensen in front of him, he should put up .930


Makar, Josi, or Jensen, not sure who'd I'd rather have
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
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Don't see it happening because of the Ducks keeping Gibson or because the trade isn't enough? If not enough, what would you want to add then?

Already have a 1st, a solid 1b goalie, and a very high prospect (top 4 RHD)

This is a lot to give up for a goalie who hasn't had a season with above .905% over the last 3 season (yes I know he faces a ton of shots and high dangerous chances)


Not sure he is traded, I think the value could be close
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:44 p.m.
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You and I are on the same wave length on everything you said.

I signed Trocheck for that much because I didn't want to see the comments "Trocheck gets more". With the scrapes, a vet d to league minimum would be great.

So funny you say that: For Gibson trade, I tried to take out biasness (and also didn't want to hear the "not enough" for Gibson - despite that, still got a comment like that lol). I wouldn't give ANYTHING more than what I would above. I thought about taking Iorio out and putting Leason but opted not to (to avoid bias). Also thought about making the pick a conditional 2nd (if Caps make the Cup finals and Gibson plays 10+ games, turns to a first).

But overall, your thoughts were exactly mine as well.


Every fan base over values their own prospects and players on here. Next to impossible to make a trade that everyone agrees on (I guess that's why we aren't actually GMs for NHL teams lol). From my Capitals fan perspective, I think a lot of what you did is pretty fair, nicely done
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Jun. 14, 2022 at 3:49 p.m.
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A 1st, a solid 1b goalie, and a top RHD prospect is a solid turnout for a goalie who has slightly above average numbers on a bad team.


Ok, but what's a solid turnout for a guy who has sub-replacement level numbers on a bad team?
Jun. 14, 2022 at 5:09 p.m.
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Not sure he is traded, I think the value could be close


I think this is actually a pretty solid offer. If I’m Verbeek I’d try like hell to upgrade to Alexeyev over Lorio, and either way would try to take back some salary to make it more palatable for WAS. But I think he made a totally reasonable offer here. If the ducks took this I wouldn’t be upset
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Vanecek : a backup you exposed to Seattle in the expansion draft and then got back for a second = an iffy value at best
Iorio : by your own description, a top-4 "prospect" = i.e., a guy unlikely to make the team this season or next
2023 first : by definition, a selection that won't turn into an actual NHL player until 2025-2026, if ever

So we trade five seasons of a starting goalie and have no realistic hope for significant results for at least three of them?
Jun. 15, 2022 at 7:40 a.m.
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Vanecek : a backup you exposed to Seattle in the expansion draft and then got back for a second = an iffy value at best
Iorio : by your own description, a top-4 "prospect" = i.e., a guy unlikely to make the team this season or next
2023 first : by definition, a selection that won't turn into an actual NHL player until 2025-2026, if ever

So we trade five seasons of a starting goalie and have no realistic hope for significant results for at least three of them?


Ah now here is a bias fan, despite an overpay for a guy who hasn't had over .905 SV% in the last 3 years:

A) Ducks are in a rebuild right now. A rebuild is defined as "a team that takes a group of veteran, but (mostly) mediocre players, and trading them for younger, unproven players (or picks), in the hope that the younger players will collectively "grow" into something significant for your organization."
B) Vanecek has better numbers over the past 2 seasons (his only seasons) compared to Gibson over each of the past 3 seasons. So is Gibson an iffy value at best too?
C) In a rebuild, I would love my team to take a top 4 prospect who is a puck moving, 6'4, 19 year-old RHD (puck moving RHDs do not grow on trees). Also, see point A
D) A 1st round pick - see point A

You may have five seasons with a below average (stats wise) goaltender, but you will waste away Gibson's prime while you attempt to rebuild.
Jun. 15, 2022 at 7:42 a.m.
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I think this is actually a pretty solid offer. If I’m Verbeek I’d try like hell to upgrade to Alexeyev over Lorio, and either way would try to take back some salary to make it more palatable for WAS. But I think he made a totally reasonable offer here. If the ducks took this I wouldn’t be upset


I did not even think about that. Good point - I think Alexeyev (who is NHL ready apparently) could swap in for Iorio if you take back a little salary (because we would then need to sign a vet LHD to spot in on the bottom pair).
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