Retool is what your talking about, rebuild is a little longer, the famous 5 year plan comes into play with the rebuild. But pretty close to the same thing. Year or two extended possibly. If you trade the younger Dubois, the connors and ehlers types may have some concerns, and may turn into a ottawa situation and a complete tear down. That 23 draft could speed it all up though if it comes in as advertised.

I plan on being go in 2023-2024. Dubois doesn't want to stay in winnipeg and within the next couple months jets fans will realize this and be sad. If dubois want to sign a 7-8 yr deal you don't trade him. When he files for arb this summer and jets sign him to 1-2 yrs just shut up about.

Because they can just throw the bag at Kuemper, Husso, or Campbell.

Trading away a first round pick and a blue chip prospect for 2 years of playoffs is shortsighted and doesn't align with the things our GM and ownership have talked about repeatedly.

Could they extend him? Maybe! but I dont think they would view Holtz and a first round pick as worth the risk.

It only takes longer because lots of NHL GMs are bad. Good front offices like in TO and NY it took like 2 yrs.

Again all those guys have massive risk and aren't as good as Helle. So what is more risky?

are you unaware of how long Toronto was bad for?

do you think Winnipeg will be be a place top tier RFA and UFA's will exclusive play for? do you think Winnipeg is likely to win 2 of the next 2 lotteries?

Its not about them being as good as Helle. It's about what theyre giving up + the risk of Helle walking or declining.

They got lucky in a lottery and overpaid a few players and over termed them. You really think Toronto and ny are good front offices? They won lottery’s and free agents flock to higher than they should be contracts.

Yeah because they kept trying to be good. Then Dubois, shanny and Lou got there torn down and in like 18 months they were good.

Ok so you sign one for 4-5 yrs and they end up not being good enough which is a real chance now what do you do with that money tied up?

If you want Bourgault from Edmonton, you'll have to dangle Hellebuyck. Appleton and Dillon ain't cutting it.

Edmonton passes they can dump kassian for cheaper and the second and bourgault can go to a better deal

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of why the leafs are good now.



You're right the the Devils goaltending situation is risky and precarious. That doesn't mean trading a first round pick and elite prospect for a 29 year old goalie under contract for 2 years is worth it. The Devils ownership is literally known for "trusting the process". They won't throw away assets just to be in the playoffs immediately.

I agree completely.

All these are declined easily IMO

For Ottawa, if you change Shane Pinto for Lassi Thomson you might have a deal

Hamonic, Travis
Thomson, Lassi
2023 2nd round pick (OTT)

That's pretty much a 1st + 2nd + 3rd package

Hamonic is a cap dum he has no value. In fact you likely have to pay a team to take him. He adds no value.

Not sure how the leafs actively being bad to get Matthews and to a lesser extent Marner is a fundamental misunderstanding? The leafs with their front office made moves to be bad in 2015-16 and surprise it worked.

lol this based on what

Because it's ignoring years of stockpiling high picks?

Rebuild is anywhere from 3-5 years as that is the time it takes to accumulate - develop - then compete all the talent that you acquire from you're trades.

doesn't change the fact that he's a prick

Overpay by Ottawa I don’t think you know how much they Value Pinto

off your rocker for that Sens trade. I'll just assume you figured Pinto was just "a prospect for value" and don't know the value he holds in the org

I literally could care less if an org over values a player or prospect. That's how I evaluate him and if you don't want him in a trade fine make me a counter offer of equal value.

I mean if you're doing mock trades, considering the actual other team in said trade is probably an important step. I literally couldn't care less how you evaluate him or to make a counter offer