Bob at 50% probably has (slightly) positive value

I think the biggest question is what the retention could look like-- cause if it's only $2m retention or something, the top two moves you suggest still add around $12m to WSH's salary cap. That's a lot of money to add a past his prime goalie when there are options in FA.

Is bob a 5 million dollar goalie right now? Top 12 ish? I would want something rather shiny to take that on for 4 years 20 million. Will be interesting year 3/4?

I think bob at 5m is in between these two. He was good, not incredible last year, but the two previous ones were bad. He is also a goalie getting paid 5m until he is 38 -- there is a very strong chance years 3 and 4 are really ugly. I also have the caps giving back samsonov or vanacek in this one, who they could get a mid to late second or early third for in a separate deal imo. From my (admittedly limited) searching, the prospects, which have both put up not disastrous but not great years in the AHL, are B tier, which I think bridges the gap.

The podcast -- which is done by two actual reporters not just random guys -- said any amount of retention is on the table. I agree that bob at 7 or 8m would be a ton of money for a goalie past their prime, but verhaege, weegar, lundell, and reinhart are all good enough and on good enough contracts that I think it could make up the difference. Would you rather have Bob 7x4 + Verhaege 4.2x3 or Gaudreau at 11x7 if you were the caps? Don't really know the answer to that one

I would try to squeeze Florida for lundell and gamble on less retained possibly, just with a elc and team control possibly offset bob

Went with Verhaege to try to temper my caps bias a little but yea of that tier of guys lundell is definitely my preferred option.

I had a build a while ago with Jets trading helly and adding lundell and bob, might be a little aggressive. Is bob willing to waive or holding Floridas feet to the fire on where he wants to go

Honestly no idea. He earned that NMC so he should hold their feet to the fire lol. Hate to be one of those guys but Miami to Winnipeg would be a tough sell, Miami to DC slightly less

ridiculous

Ya how do you sign off for -40 and snow and taxes? Better to stay in league over any other league I guess. I wonder if there’s some sort of Vegas goalie and dadanov deal that could be worked out, Vegas so up against it also though. Might work with a quick stop in Arizona lol

Tell us how you really feel?

Would you rather have bob and lundell or gaudreau??? that is basically what the caps would be deciding between in this scenario. Not that ridiculous

Definitely do not want bob at anything more than $5 million, but think something could work at 50% retention.

i am a panthers fan
Lundell is untouchable

I think either full retention or no retention and really squeeze them for good young players, but anything in between makes it less worth it

I'm not saying its a no-brainer either way, but the question of bob and lundell or gaudreau is not a ridiculous one that could be dismissed out of hand. And if you don't want to give up something good, have fun with a 10m backup for the next four years ...

No chance the panthers trade Lundell. Probably not even with zero retention. I’m not a panthers fan and I know that’s crazy.

5 million puts bobs cap hit at 20th in the league. He is definitely a top 20 goalie right now. Even if the last two years are bad it’s still a decent value as of now

Eller & Vanecek for Bob, Bennett, a mid-round pick with 25% retained.

Depends what other options in goal and at center are out there for the caps but thats something I think they would strongly consider

Being bad the last two years means you need to get something better than decent value the first two. And I agree that the panthers probably don't trade lundell, but for taking on bob with no retention it is not an unreasonable ask

If he’s worth say 5.5-6 million right now then he doesn’t have to be worth as much the last two years of his contract. I think your Bob at 25 percent retained with Bennett and a pick is pretty fair. Could probably bump it up to 30-40 percent retained for a lesser player