The point at which I would not match an offersheet from another team

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 15, 2022

Published: Jun. 15, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Teams are chosen at random.

If you offer-sheeted one of my players, I would respond with one of my own.

For more information, please see the offersheet calculator on Capfriendly.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Norris, Joshua	1	$8,402,976
Formenton, Alex	1	$4,201,489
Joseph, Mathieu	1	$4,201,489
Brännström, Erik	1	$2,100,743
Gaudette, Adam	1	$1,386,491

Trades

OTT

2023 1st round pick (SJS)
2023 2nd round pick (SJS)
2023 3rd round pick (SJS)
2024 1st round pick (SJS)

SJS

Norris, Joshua

Additional Details:

For Josh Norris, if ...

1. His AAV is at least 8.403 million or he is being paid more than Brady Tkachuk ...

AND

2. The draft pick compensation involves multiple first round picks ...

I would not match the offersheet.

OTT

2023 1st round pick (TOR)
2023 3rd round pick (TOR)

TOR

Formenton, Alex

Additional Details:

For Alex Formenton and Mathieu Joseph, if ...

1. The AAV is at least 4.2 million for either of them ...

AND

2. The draft pick compensation for either of them involves a first round pick ...

I would not match the offersheet.

OTT

2023 1st round pick (MTL)
2023 3rd round pick (MTL)

MTL

Joseph, Mathieu

OTT

2023 2nd round pick (NYI)

NYI

Brännström, Erik

Additional Details:

For Erik Brannstrom, if

1. His AAV is at least 2.1 million ...

AND

2. The draft pick compensation involves a second round pick ...

I would not match the offersheet.

OTT

2023 3rd round pick (VAN)

VAN

Gaudette, Adam

Additional Details:

For Adam Gaudette, if ...

1. The draft pick compensation involves any draft pick whatsoever ...

I would not match the offersheet.

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
Dion Phaneuf: $354,167

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$57,904,047	$0	$4,465,000	$24,595,953

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,205,714$8,205,714 LW UFA - 6	Stützle, Tim $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C UFA - 1	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 5
Brown, Connor $3,600,000$3,600,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Pinto, Shane $925,000$925,000 ($600,000$600K) C RFA - 1	White, Colin $1,200,000$1,200,000 C, RW UFA - 1
Greig, Ridly $863,333$863,333 C, LW RFA - 3	Gambrell, Dylan $950,000$950,000 C UFA - 1	Watson, Austin $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
	Kelly, Parker $762,500$762,500 LW RFA - 2	Sokolov, Egor $818,333$818,333 ($15,000$15K) LW RFA - 1
Järventie, Roby $894,167$894,167 LW RFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 6	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Forsberg, Anton $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 3
Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD UFA - 2	Zub, Artem $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 1	Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Holden, Nick $1,300,000$1,300,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hamonic, Travis $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Del Zotto, Michael $750,000$750,000 LD UFA - 1
Thomson, Lassi $863,333$863,333 ($425,000$425K) RD RFA - 2
Kastelic, Mark $821,667$821,667 C, RW RFA - 1

Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:32 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

v5 Minnesota GM

Joined: Jan. 2022

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Explain me why habs would theoretically trade bedard / Fantilli/ michkov for Jospeh who's been a 4th liner his whole career.
(15 games isn't a good sample size anyway, btw)

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:39 p.m.

sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

Explain me why habs would theoretically trade bedard / Fantilli/ michkov for Jospeh who's been a 4th liner his whole career.
(15 games isn't a good sample size anyway, btw)

Somebody didn't read the explanation at the top of the page shakes head

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

v5 Minnesota GM

Joined: Jan. 2022

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Quoting: sensonfire

Somebody didn't read the explanation at the top of the page shakes head

Why would any team do it?

Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:47 p.m.

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

Why would any team do it?

1. Point per game since coming to Ottawa.

2. A late 1st round pick has roughly the same odds of playing in the NHL as a 2nd round pick.

3. Some teams like to gamble, like when Carolina gambled on a 6.1 million dollar offersheet for Kotkaniemi

Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:53 p.m.

papishark

Joined: Aug. 2019

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I love Norris but no one’s offersheeting worth two firsts+ for him

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.

DucharmetheDOMinator

v5 Minnesota GM

Joined: Jan. 2022

Posts: 8,117

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Quoting: sensonfire

Former 3rd overall pick vs someone who was a bottom 6er his whole career + small sample size with OTT

Who are you taking? It's obvious. You can't compare that. No team would do that for Joseph,

Jun. 15, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.

sensonfire

Thread Starter

sensonfire

Joined: Feb. 2021

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

Former 3rd overall pick vs someone who was a bottom 6er his whole career + small sample size with OTT

Who are you taking? It's obvious. You can't compare that. No team would do that for Joseph,

Former 3rd overall pick who's a borderline bust and who got showered with a ridiculous money by Carolina.

In any case, if you offer-sheet Joseph and there's no 1st round pick coming back the other way, it gets matched.

Rules are rules.

Jun. 15, 2022 at 6:14 p.m.

Mediumyeet

Joined: Oct. 2020

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

Explain me why habs would theoretically trade bedard / Fantilli/ michkov for Jospeh who's been a 4th liner his whole career.
(15 games isn't a good sample size anyway, btw)

Take a second to read next time.

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 8:52 p.m.

BeautifulIdiot

This team kills me

Joined: Mar. 2021

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I'd be suprised if gaudette got a QO

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.

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Knuckl3s

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

I'd be suprised if gaudette got a QO

LMAO, Gaudette was waiver fodder last season, he has no value

Jun. 15, 2022 at 8:55 p.m.

#11

dannibalcorpse

we miss leo k

Joined: Feb. 2018

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I love that the whole post is like "if you give me a king's ransom for any of these boys I will still match unless it gets to this point"

and it ends with "good lord if you give me anything for adam gaudette you can friggin HAVE HIM"

poor adam!!

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Jun. 15, 2022 at 9:02 p.m.

#12

BeautifulIdiot

This team kills me

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Quoting: Knuckl3s

LMAO, Gaudette was waiver fodder last season, he has no value

he didnt even get a QO last year

Jun. 15, 2022 at 9:03 p.m.

#13

Knuckl3s

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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot

he didnt even get a QO last year

No he didn't indeed

Jun. 15, 2022 at 9:08 p.m.

#14

F50marco

Joined: May 2015

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

Former 3rd overall pick vs someone who was a bottom 6er his whole career + small sample size with OTT

Who are you taking? It's obvious. You can't compare that. No team would do that for Joseph,

What are you even arguing against exactly? Read the description of the trades. These are OP's limits to what he would agree to NOT match an offer IF someone did, not that he thinks someone will.

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