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Created by: Campabee

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2022

Published: Jun. 16, 2022

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Why would Montreal move Anderson for less value than what the 2nd OVA pick is? Since the player projected to go 2nd OVA is basically just a younger version of Anderson who has not proved anything to date? To me (and this is just my opinion here) Anderson would have more value than Slafkovsky since Slaf only has about a 10-20% chance of being better and a 50-60% chance at being the same player as Anderson and a 20-40% chance of not being as good. Anderson is already established and Slaf has 5 goals in 31 games in a men's league. How do you plan to suggest to Hughes that he should move Josh for a player (12 OVA) who has a 50% chance to be no more than a 3rd line player and a 50% chance of not even making the NHL? If Anderson is the player Slafkovsky could "potentially" be, why doe he have less value in fans eyes?

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Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
17	$82,500,000	$63,545,416	$1,132,500	$1,570,000	$18,954,584

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 3
Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
	Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $2,343,750$2,343,750 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
	Barron, Justin $925,000$925,000 ($212,500$212K) RD RFA - 2
	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 4

Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:51 p.m.

GeneralLandro

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Um .. seriously? Age, contract, the fact he can be developed into what they want him to be

You aren’t trying to say Anderson is worth 2OA are you???

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.

TheRealisticGuy

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I can't believe you are serious ...

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:53 p.m.

yycofred

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Because that's how prospects are valued. If Slafkovsky has a 10% chance of being better than Anderson he's doing it for 925K for the first 3 years then probably under 3M for the next few until then when he's paid like Anderson to be better or equal to than Anderson. Also moving the 2nd overall for a guy with 5 years at 5.5M as opposed to at least 7 years of control with a lower cap hit for most of those years is where a lot of the value is derived from. Teams like to have control of their prospects and develop them their own way, there's a ton of value in that.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:54 p.m.

pocke

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Because Slafkovsky will get better and Anderson definitely will not. His best season was 3 years ago. Anderson also doesn't know how to pass the puck.

Assume this is a troll though.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:56 p.m.

TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: yycofred

You couldn't have said it better

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: pocke

Because Slafkovsky will get better and Anderson definitely will not. His best season was 3 years ago. Anderson also doesn't know how to pass the puck.

Assume this is a troll though.

Why is Slafkovsky so well liked? He was great at the Olympics, but so was Leo Komarov lmao. Wasn’t exactly the best quality of competition.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:57 p.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: GeneralLandro

Um .. seriously? Age, contract, the fact he can be developed into what they want him to be

You aren’t trying to say Anderson is worth 2OA are you???

No, no definitely not saying Josh is worth 2nd OVA. My question is more of why do fans think Josh's value is so low? Obvioulsy the chance of Slafkovsky turning into a LeClair or a Iginla increases his value. Fans see Josh as either a cap dump or only worth a prospect who has a 50\50 shot at making the NHL, why? He is an established top 6 winger on a league average contract for a player of his calibre.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 1:59 p.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Campabee

He is not a top 6 winger and he is overpaid

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:01 p.m.

JackForHart

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we could trade for a huge rfa or josh Anderson😂😂😂 with that pick. easy devils decline

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Campabee

No offense but how would you like it if isles fans posted 100 ACGM’s a day where we trade Josh Bailey for the first pick and Cole Caufield? Btw you also have to trade ur other first and Suzuki for Jake Muzzin.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: Isles5513

He is not a top 6 winger and he is overpaid

Where does he play? Right top 6 wing and he would on most other teams in the league as well. He makes the same or less than players who play his style of game (Kreider and Kane with SJ) so he is not overpaid.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.

#12

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Campabee

Both of those guys r way better than him

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:04 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: BlackwoodForVezina

we could trade for a huge rfa or josh Anderson😂😂😂 with that pick. easy devils decline

It was not a trade sorry for your confusion

Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:05 p.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Campabee

Look. No offense but I’m assuming u read too many stories by bloggers. Isles fans do too.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:06 p.m.

#15

jwink19

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Because you’re wayyyyyyyy overvaluing Anderson. He’s broken 40 points once, his contract is not great, and 2OA isn’t anywhere close to appropriate value for some hits.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:08 p.m.

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Bonnot

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Quoting: Campabee

Lmao
He plays top six on a horrible team and all his metrics show he’s anything but a top 6 player

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:10 p.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Bonnot

Lmao
He plays top six on a horrible team and all his metrics show he’s anything but a top 6 player

Someone please make an ACGM with offering Bailey and the 13th pick for Josh Anderson and 1st overall lmao

Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:13 p.m.

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TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: Isles5513

Both of those guys r way better than him

We can compare Anderson to Kreider Wilson Kane but those guys get it done more than Anderson + Anderson can't stay healthy. But the skillset are pretty similar

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.

#19

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Quoting: Campabee

Kane and Kreider are far better players than Anderson. Anderson is an overpaid middle 6 winger, who’s contract will be an anchor as soon as next season. Kreider just had more goals than Anderson has ever had points. Kane was almost a goal a game in the playoffs, and his point total in only 43 games this season would be Anderson’s 2nd best mark of his career

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

We can compare Anderson to Kreider Wilson Kane but those guys get it done more than Anderson + Anderson can't stay healthy. But the skillset are pretty similar

The skill set isn’t similar because of the difference in talent

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.

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TheRealisticGuy

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Quoting: Isles5513

The skill set isn’t similar because of the difference in talent

Fair enough

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:18 p.m.

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AlakHul

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I got a question? How did you all view Lehkonen before he was traded to Avs? 3rd line winger? If yes, why is he in top 6 of avs? Anderson would also probably be in the top 6 in there due to his skillset. Is he worth 2 oa? Def not, mid 1st round and maybe another 2nd or 3rd rounder but thats about it.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:20 p.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: AlakHul

Lehkonen is cheaper and better

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:21 p.m.

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HeadHighSauce

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Edited Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:36 p.m.

Josh Anderson has not been above replacement level since 2018-2019. He's legitimately a bad player.

Just double checked. Josh Anderson was 683rd in the league this year in total WAR. Out of 892 players total.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.

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AlakHul

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Quoting: Isles5513

Lehkonen is cheaper and better

Yet ppl were saying he wasnt worth a 1st rounder, yet, here we are, we got a 1st (barron) and a 2nd while everyone were saying he wasnt worth that.

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