*sigh*

If it was Miller I’d do it

I'd much rather keep Miller over Horvat. I think Horvat is replaceable.

sigh...and why exactly a Flyers, who needs to rebuild, move their first round pick second year in a row for a pending UFA?

They aren't going to rebuild. I don't know why that's so difficult for people to figure out. They might not trade 5th OA but they're not going to rebuild.

They might not but they definitely should. This crap is just illogical.

That's the thing they're not going to. They should yes but it's simply not happening and I don't understand why people can't accept that and keep bringing up the tired "flyers are rebuilding why would they do this" case when there has been absolutely 0 indication from the Flyers that they will rebuild and it's actually been quite opposite with Fletcher using the words "Aggressive Retool" and him and ownership completely shooting down the idea of a 3-5 year build.

Flyers pass

You would. Fletcher might not.

i think jiricek, nemec or savoie would be more enticing then horvat. horvat would also need to agree to an extension before hand aswell because he is not worth 5OA by himself

He probably would too. This package might work for Miller not Horvat

Huh? Lol

You think Bo is worth 5OA?

Also retaining 2 mil and taking back the full 7mil of JVR here. So not quite as simple as just Horvat for 5OA.

I mean I doubt anyone thought Risto was worth 14 OA and a 2nd rounder.

This is also retaining salary on Bo and taking the full JVR contract.

Eventually they will after constantly flopping around in the bottom-10, but until then it looks like ACGMs collectively want to abuse Fletcher and his situation.

If they have any sense behind them they will not touch any deal involving 5th overall pick, but seeing what they did with Risto...Gritty is probably more sensible than Fletcher.

Still, relying on someone being an idiot and doing that just because while it defying all logic is in my opinion stupid anyways. Some of the Habs fans have mastered this, and post like this just channel them out.

Also, Just imagine what would happen on this site if some team hired Chiarelli back - everyone would only do bad trades with them on purpose. This is closely starting to sound like it.

To the Canucks he's worth at least that much

People offer those trades because they're not bad in the short term typically and like it or not there is a long trend in the NHL of GM's being on the hot seat and making short sighted moves to save their jobs.

As Canucks fans we are all to familiar with this. What is happening in Philly is essentially the exact same narrative that happens in Vancouver last year. Benning knew he had to make playoffs or he's gone (Fletcher knows the same), Benning with the support of ownership said they want to compete and will be aggressive this offseason (same rhetoric as the Flyers even up to the use of the work "aggressive"). Canucks ended up mortgaging the 9th overall pick + to move off of short term inefficient money (JVR in Philly) in an attempt to make a push forward.

Flyers may end up rebuilding but it won't be this offseason. Next year they will either make playoffs or Fletcher will be fired and from there any direction is possible.

Imo offering a 5th overall for a pending UFA is a stupid move regardless whether it's short or long-term. PHI force their hand on re-signing him potentially on a bad contract just because they can't afford to lose him after that sizable investment. They're effectively shooting themselves in the foot in either scenario, and the Risto trade+extension kinda proved it.

I agree with that Benning scenario - but shouldn't you as a VAN fan be aware of the consequences of such moves, such as the OEL trade? I'm kinda certain you'd want for that not to happen if you could go back in time, no? And if yes, why suggest Flyers will do the same mistake?

OEL can be bought out in the 2023 off-season or beyond, it's not like there isn't a safety net or contingency plan with that asset

I still don't think that moves the deal much in this scenario. This draft is deep and their is quite a few guys who can be franchise leading players. Horvat isn't a franchise leading piece at most he should be your 4-6th best player.

This draft isn't deep bro

I think the disconnect here is I'm not saying this is a good or smart move for Philly but I'm trying to look at it objectively from Fletcher's view point and I think it's something he would consider.

What I personally think Philly should do is different from what I think they are going to do.

Eh...sounds to me like justifying a questionable trade by the idea that your potential trade partner is a tool. I can't find that kind of approach that respectable in terms of fairness, even though it's technically possible.

Lol I'm not trying to justify anything I'm trying to be realistic. If you want to live in fantasy land that Philly isn't going to do something aggressive and risky this summer suit your self.

Yeah I dunno if that can be called a fantasy land, suggesting what they SHOULD do.