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Marchand Trade

Created by: Hullsy09
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2022
Published: Jun. 16, 2022
Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier3$900,000
Heinen, Danton3$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Malkin, Evgeni3$6,500,000
Letang, Kris4$8,000,000
Fleury, Marc-André1$1,500,000
Rakell, Rickard4$4,150,000
Zadorov, Nikita3$3,000,000
Rodrigues, Evan3$2,000,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Marchand, Brad ($1,125,000 retained)
BOS
  1. Zucker, Jason
  2. 2022 1st round pick (PIT)
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
  4. 2023 4th round pick (PIT)
2.
PIT
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,916,667
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$82,500,000$82,041,667$0$0$458,333
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Marchand, Brad
$5,000,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
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Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Rakell, Rickard
$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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Malkin, Evgeni
$6,500,000
C
UFA - 4
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Rust, Bryan
$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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Heinen, Danton
$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Rodrigues, Evan
$2,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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Carter, Jeff
$3,125,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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O'Connor, Drew
$750,000
LW
RFA - 1
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Blueger, Teddy
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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McGinn, Brock
$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Letang, Kris
$8,000,000
RD
UFA - 6
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Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Marino, John
$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 5
Fleury, Marc-André
$1,500,000
G
UFA - 2
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Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
$900,000
LD
RFA - 2
Zadorov, Nikita
$3,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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Zohorna, Radim
$750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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Ruhwedel, Chad
$800,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 9:26 p.m.
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Boston says no. Underpay for Marchand. Need to give up more.
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Jun. 16, 2022 at 9:27 p.m.
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Boston isn't retaining on Brad Marchand.

He's coming off double hip surgery doubtful he's ready until December or January.
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Jun. 16, 2022 at 9:45 p.m.
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Quoting: TampaBayLightning22
Boston isn't retaining on Brad Marchand.

He's coming off double hip surgery doubtful he's ready until December or January.


I dont think retaining 1.25 million when you are going into a rebuild is the least likely thing with this ACGM
Jun. 16, 2022 at 9:45 p.m.
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Boston says no. Underpay for Marchand. Need to give up more.


I agree but I was just using the trade he used
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Jun. 16, 2022 at 10:26 p.m.
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I agree but I was just using the trade he used


But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?
Jun. 16, 2022 at 10:53 p.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?


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But is two late firsts and a cap dump really what boston is going to want for a guy thats been a top 5 scorer in the league the last 5 years, with elite defense, and a very team friendly contract?


Take it up with the guy who made the trade lol

He is also coming off hip surgery tbf
Jun. 16, 2022 at 10:58 p.m.
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Take it up with the guy who made the trade lol

He is also coming off hip surgery tbf


Aren’t you the guy that made the trade?
Jun. 16, 2022 at 11:04 p.m.
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Aren’t you the guy that made the trade?


I just said I am copying the one a bruins fan made in the ACGM I linked. I think Pitt probably needs to add a bit more but not a crazy amount
Jun. 17, 2022 at 9:36 a.m.
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I just said I am copying the one a bruins fan made in the ACGM I linked. I think Pitt probably needs to add a bit more but not a crazy amount


Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good
Jun. 17, 2022 at 10:57 a.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good


Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good


It’s something that happens pretty often on here. A person sees a trade that someone else posts in on of their ACGMs and wants to show what it looks like from the other teams POV.

I think you are also overeating the value of a 34 year old who is going to miss half the season due to a major surgery
Jun. 17, 2022 at 11:02 a.m.
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
Why would you copy a trade?

Anyhow, that guy is totally out to lunch. I think he probably thinks zucker is good

It was interesting ACGM. A Homer Pitt fan told me Zucker + 2nd was fair and then tried to defend his stance because what Zucker brings to the locker room.
Jun. 17, 2022 at 11:03 a.m.
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It was interesting ACGM. A Homer Pitt fan told me Zucker + 2nd was fair and then tried to defend his stance because what Zucker brings to the locker room.


Lol that’s ridiculous and I like zucker
Jun. 17, 2022 at 11:21 a.m.
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Lol that’s ridiculous and I like zucker


Sorry it was Zucker, 2nd, and 4th. The 4th really tilts the scale here.

Found the ACGM
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/593587?post_id=3300454
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Jun. 17, 2022 at 11:27 a.m.
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Sorry it was Zucker, 2nd, and 4th. The 4th really tilts the scale here.

Found the ACGM
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/593587?post_id=3300454


I had a whole description which linked the ACGM written but idk where it went
Jun. 17, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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It’s something that happens pretty often on here. A person sees a trade that someone else posts in on of their ACGMs and wants to show what it looks like from the other teams POV.

I think you are also overeating the value of a 34 year old who is going to miss half the season due to a major surgery


I know that, but most make note of it in the description or title.

I think a lot of people on this site confuse worth and value.

What is Marchand worth? Might be somewhere around this trade. Probably not, but maybe. What is his value? That’s whatever makes the bruins decide they are would like to trade him. Worth and value are rarely the same.

Also, Marchand is expected to return in late November. Not nearly half the season.
Jun. 17, 2022 at 2:01 p.m.
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I know that, but most make note of it in the description or title.

I think a lot of people on this site confuse worth and value.

What is Marchand worth? Might be somewhere around this trade. Probably not, but maybe. What is his value? That’s whatever makes the bruins decide they are would like to trade him. Worth and value are rarely the same.

Also, Marchand is expected to return in late November. Not nearly half the season.


I wrote a description, not sure why its not visible.

"This trade is inspired by @l19f9 (https://www.capfriendly.com/users/l19f9). In his ACGM Boston rebuilds and trades everyone (he also has them signing Malkin for some reason but we are just going to ignore that). Marchand and Crosby are super tight and I could see Marchand requesting to come here. I know he had a bit of a run in with Jarry last year but I think they could easily move on from that."

*Im going to have to disagree on your marchand point about worth vs value. If the bruins are going for a rebuild marchands worth is much more than his value
Jun. 18, 2022 at 1:12 a.m.
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I wrote a description, not sure why its not visible.

"This trade is inspired by l19f9 (https://www.capfriendly.com/users/l19f9). In his ACGM Boston rebuilds and trades everyone (he also has them signing Malkin for some reason but we are just going to ignore that). Marchand and Crosby are super tight and I could see Marchand requesting to come here. I know he had a bit of a run in with Jarry last year but I think they could easily move on from that."

*Im going to have to disagree on your marchand point about worth vs value. If the bruins are going for a rebuild marchands worth is much more than his value


Why?
Jun. 18, 2022 at 1:20 a.m.
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Why?


Because Marchand is a good player. Teams who want to compete want good players more than teams who are rebuilding. Teams who are rebuilding value picks and prospects more.

Take this example. If the penguins were going to trade Sidney Crosby which team would value him more, Colorado or Arizona? Colorado, as they are trying to compete right now, and Crosby would help them do that. On the other hand, Arizona is trying to collect draft picks and prospects to build towards competing in the future.

Not a hard concept
Jun. 18, 2022 at 1:25 a.m.
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Because Marchand is a good player. Teams who want to compete want good players more than teams who are rebuilding. Teams who are rebuilding value picks and prospects more.

Take this example. If the penguins were going to trade Sidney Crosby which team would value him more, Colorado or Arizona? Colorado, as they are trying to compete right now, and Crosby would help them do that. On the other hand, Arizona is trying to collect draft picks and prospects to build towards competing in the future.

Not a hard concept


No, i get that. And thanks for letting me know its not a hard concept.

But this isn’t a player with a year left, and this isn’t a team that doesn’t have any of the pieces need to bounce back quickly. They’ve got an elite D, which is probably the hardest piece to find. They’ve got a super high end number 2 d man, and a real good second pair. They’ve got the young goalie. Maybe they have the elite sniper in pasta. This isn’t a, “take what you can get,” situation like it would be if the Bruins were planning a retool and marchand’s deal was up after next year.
 
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