Flyers don’t consider that. We just sucked why would we give you our 2023 first for Horvat

Dallas declines. Much rather keep our pick, which will almost definitely be higher (possibly by a good amount). Dermott isn’t anywhere near enough to compensate the gap between where the Rangers & Stars should end up next year

Should probably trade with teams who have a higher chance of attaining the first overall pick like Arizona, Buffalo...

They don't want good players. All teams obviously accept these trades then Canucks offer all 5 firsts at the draft for 1OA. Done Deal.

Why would Philly move 2023 first for Bo? And add Frost?

Another Canuck fan trading JT to the Rangers, SHOCKING. Easy PASS from the Rangers.

Well considering it was reported the Rangers offered a very similar package to this one near the deadline last season, I think it's more than reasonable to conclude an offer like this could very well be on the table for Vancouver. That said, it was Vancouver that said no to the offer last season, don't know if they will have changed their minds going into this year, probably depends on what else is out there.

Got to love rumors. But if true, that would have been for 2 playoffs runs, so any offer now would be LESS. No chance Rangers trade for a JT Miller 1 year rental.

That goes against what is being speculated by most of the insiders on the sports radio programs I have been listening to. Most figure the return wont be significantly or at all impacted due to more teams having more financial flexibility in the offseason than at the deadline.

So you just hit the nail on the head. "Financial flexibility". I have been saying to Canuck fans that keep posting JT Miller trades to the Rangers that his value to the Rangers is less than it is to other teams because the Rangers have no chance of offering him a new contract. He would be a 1 year rental because they have very little financial flexibility. If Canuck fans want the MAX return on JT, then they need to trade him to a team that can give him a big, fat new contract. That is NOT the Rangers. That is the problem with all these JT Miller to NYR trades. Rangers cannot and will not give you max value for him, they will give you rental value, which is lower. For some reason, that falls of deaf ears.

I mean it seemed every NYR fan was unwilling to make a deal for Miller last season and yet it was reported they offered Lundkvist, Chytil and a 1st, according to reports that was turned down by Vancouver.
If the NYR were willing to make the trade at the deadline then they obviously thought they had the financial flexibility or they were willing to make an acquisition that would be leaving them in just over a years time.
Not saying the NYR's are going to overpay or increase their offer, but if they were interested at the deadline I am sure they still have interest in the player.

Every single team in the league is interested in having JT Miller because he is a good player. It's a matter of cost to acquire him vs how long you can keep him. IF the Rangers made the reported offer at the TDL (and I say IF), it would have been for 2 playoff runs which is a lot more valuable than just 1. So, IF they made that offer then, they would make a LOWER offer now is all I am saying. It's only common sense. Without moving out a large contract such as Trouba or Kreider, there is ZERO chance the Rangers can offer Miller a new contract, and the Rangers aren't moving any of those guys in order to sign an aging Miller at north of $8m+/season for 7 or so years. Plus, they all have NMC's anyway, so there is no way to sign him. And let's be honest about why Canuck fans want to trade him....because they don't want to sign him to his next contract because its not going to age well and they know it. There is no chance the Rangers trade for Miller because the Canucks can get more for him from any team that can and will give him a new contract and it's just silly to think a team that can't sign him is going to give up a ton for 1 year of his services.

I agree with you that the NYR would have to move money to sign JT long term, I also agree with you as to why most Vancouver fans doesn't want to sign him long term. With that said, it's not necessarily common sense that Miller will get a better return if he had been traded with two playoff runs as opposed to one, that MAY be determined by supply and demand. The NYR (and a fair amount of other teams) will not be unable to afford a player of Miller's caliber in FA so if they want a player of his caliber they will have to trade for one, likely with retention, and that is a very limited market.

First off, if you trade for a player at the TDL, cap hit is irrelevant and they wouldn't need retention. Tampa has won 2 cups doing that. But I cannot agree with you that trading for JT Miller with 2 playoff runs isn't necessarily worth more than just 1. Of course it is. If a team like the Rangers, who can't sign him long term, can have him for 2 playoff runs instead on 1, they would of course offer more for that. And the reverse is true.

The bottom line to all this is the fact that a team that can offer him a new contract can offer the Canucks more in trade for him. If we can't agree on that, than there is no need to discuss it any more.

Miller trade is underwhelming, and Garland is worth a 1st +, that's New Jersey's 2023 1st, not the 2OA that's involved

That was for miller for 2 full playoff runs. That was also before kratsov came back over and has made it clear he wants to be a ranger (his agent made it clear he's coming back to the states in july to start working out in NY).
Kratsov's value has gone up, Nils is a viable piece to move, but not for a Pending UFA.