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Why? Like why trade for Bobrovsky? He's not better than Ned, he's older and you just give Florida 10M in cap space for nothing. Not a good trade at all for Detroit. That Buffalo trade isn't really good for us either, just be patient with the draft.

Buffalo passes on trade #1

And Detroit passes on trade #2

Yes its a terrible thing when you can trade two forwards 4 years removed from their draft who aren't impact players and a pick with less than 50% chance of turning into a star for a guy who scored 38 goals making 1.4 million.

See team explanation above.

Is there another Bob to make the Bob's Big Boy team name work? Maybe I should bring back Bobby Ryan... Was just trying to get to cap floor, and shoehorning in for the team name, cuz that 3rd line is pretty big

Absolutely not from Buffalo
We’ll keep Thompson, thanks anyways

Tage Thompson, 4 years removed from his draft, was not an impactful player in the nhl. This was his first big season. Taking nothing away from Tage, I think he's a great player and will be. It just doesn't make sense to move multiple assets for one right now.

Well I do like the team name.

Florida accepts immediately without hesitation.

To sarcastically support this trade is a new level of idiocy....congrats.

were you referring to yourself here? lol Those two F's have less career goals than Tage had last year. Like its fine if he's not a good fit for detroit, thats a good enough reason to turn it down. But pretending like its not lopsided and calling it idiocy to point that out is just homerism.

Thank you for making an actual good point. Tage isn't really a historical trend though, the extremely lucky exception. If i had the chance to move tage in his 4th year removed from the draft for a u-25 who scored nearly 40 goals, it'd be a no brainer.

Its multiple assets sure, but no one the red wings or yzerman have penciled in as locks for their future core.

So you do know that trade for Thompson is way off the edge of the map value wise.

Definitely an overpay. Since you all are giving me a hard time about it, I probably should have used the Reinhart deal as a template... Wasn't really thinking about it though, I just wanted to post it once I thought of the theme and and team name

You're lost....take a look at Thompson's career stats.

Congratulate him on a great year and be done with it. He is not worth two solid prospects (one being a C) and a top 10 pick lol

A great year indeed, he outscored the combined career total of two "solid prospects" lol.

Correct - one "great" year almost 7 years after you were drafted doesn't get you that return. Please wake up.

the 8th pick and two future 3rd liners is too much for a 38 goal scorer making 1.4 mil in his mid 20s? Yeesh, tough trade market.

** yawn **

A bit of overvaluing Thompson and undervaluing Veleno and Z is afoot. Here’s the actual numbers including playoffs:
Zadina: NHL totals – 4 years – 160GP 25G 36A 61P
AHL totals – 2 years – 85GP 27G 27A 54P

Veleno: NHL totals – 2 years – 71GP 9G 7A 16P
AHL totals – 3 years – 69GP 18G 18A 36P

Thompson – NHL totals – 5 years – 223GP 56G 47A 103P
AHL totals – 4 years – 83GP 25G 21A 46P

Arguably Veleno’s current trajectory is very similar to Thompson’s early professional production:
Thompson’s NHL year 2 – 106GP 10G 11A 21P
AHL year 3 – 67GP 20G 15A 35P

The trade is pretty lopsided in Buffalo’s favor. Arguments against should be chalked up to recency bias, not recognizing the skill Z possesses, and not giving Veleno enough time to adapt his game to how much he buffed up during Covid.

Again, the Reinhart deal would have been a much closer starting point. Comparing him to Thompson, at 24 years old Reinhart had nearly twice as many NHL games played and nearly twice as goals scored and nearly triple the assists. He was dealt for a prospect goalie with 0 professional games played to this date, and the 28th overall pick…

Not saying the Reinhart deal was fair, just saying you haven’t convinced anyone that Z, Veleno and the 8th pick isn't a lopsided overpay for Tage…

He's definitely not worse than Ned. Similar stats to Ned's first two years since moving to Florida. Two Vezina seasons prior to that. It isn't even the cap hit, we would need that to even hit the floor in this scenario, so whatever I guess. It is the term. I hope to care about a $10 million cap hit by year four. Also, I would want some return for taking that on, and upgrading 4th round picks isn't what I would have in mind. Bennett, Forsling or someone else that fits the timeline and fills a position of need. Also does Bob really waive to come to Detroit?

Comparing future trajectories saying that Veleno is in line with where thompson was is disingenuous cause his dev path is the exception not the norm. Thompson makes less than reinhart and has more years of control. Reinhart was a year away from UFA status.

The skill Z possesses is irrelevant here, Casey Mittelstadt has tons of skill, nobody is paying a premium there. Neither one of veleno or Z have followed the path they were projected to go.

All excellent points, only one question from me though: Are there any other Bobs worth trading for? It's the keystone to the team name, and the only Bob I could find is Bobby Brink

Disingenuous? So I assume you forgot about this:



And I'm not sure what you mean by Veleno and Z not following their projected path either, but I'm sure you would have said the same about Tage prior to this season.

Instead of arguing why the Reinhart deal was less valuable, maybe you should suggest a trade that better reflects Tage's value. I didn't say it was exactly the same, but IMO it's a pretty good template and certainly much more realistic than what I put together here.

I wasn't being disingenuous, I was stating a fact lol. Neither one of Zadina or Veleno are where most fans would like them to be, organization too I assume. Guy's like Tage don't hit the market often. The guy scored 38 and makes 1.4 mil, Idk what offer remotely compares to what hes worth because ive got very little recent history to go on. I just know that trading two guys who don't look like impact players this far removed from their draft plus the 8th overall pick is hardly an overpay of any sort.

Like last summer if I built a deal arount Tage, Mittelstadt and the 8th pick for anyone who scored 38 Id get laughed at, cause nothing in that deal historically has a chance of replicating the production im giving up.