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Created by: DirtyDangle
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 22, 2022
Published: Jun. 22, 2022
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Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$3,500,000
2$750,000
2$850,000
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DET
  1. Sandin, Rasmus [RFA Rights]
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
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3.
TOR
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (WPG)
4.
TOR
  1. 2022 3rd round pick (COL)
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2022
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2023
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2024
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23$82,500,000$82,657,417$212,500$0-$157,417
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
$850,000$850,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LW
UFA - 2
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$834,167$834,167
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:13 a.m.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:27 a.m.
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Matthews to Detroit for William Wallinder and 2 2nds
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:34 a.m.
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Quoting: zadinaveleno
Matthews to Detroit for William Wallinder and 2 2nds


1st, 2nd, top prospect is a good return for a rental. what would detroit realistically want.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:39 a.m.
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1st, 2nd, top prospect is a good return for a rental. what would detroit realistically want.


5 first round picks
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:51 a.m.
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Kerfoot for 2nd

No more than a 3rd, and only if MacLellan is in a giving mood.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:53 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
1st, 2nd, top prospect is a good return for a rental. what would detroit realistically want.


Larkin is one of those players that isn’t necessarily untouchable, but you are going to need to pay more to obtain him. You’re also putting too much stock on his UFA status and the value for a rental. He’ll either be extended by DET or a sign and trade.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 9:54 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
1st, 2nd, top prospect is a good return for a rental. what would detroit realistically want.


If Larkin seems destined for free agency and not returning to Detroit after next season then I dont think that kind of deal is crazy but just not the pieces they'd want. The picks are late the prospect good but we have like a stockpile of ld on the way. Someone out bids you for him.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:04 a.m.
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Quoting: RedWings86
Larkin is one of those players that isn’t necessarily untouchable, but you are going to need to pay more to obtain him. You’re also putting too much stock on his UFA status and the value for a rental. He’ll either be extended by DET or a sign and trade.


sign and trades don't happen. a rental is a rental. i think you're being biased on this one.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:06 a.m.
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If Larkin seems destined for free agency and not returning to Detroit after next season then I dont think that kind of deal is crazy but just not the pieces they'd want. The picks are late the prospect good but we have like a stockpile of ld on the way. Someone out bids you for him.


could be robertson instead of sandin.

what do you think he realistically gets.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:14 a.m.
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Anaheim won't sniff the playoffs this season and will only come close next season, after which Nylander's contract expires. So no matter what your view of Gibson's value is, trading 5 years of him (the last three of which will be the first part of Anaheim's window) for Nylander makes no long-term sense for the Ducks.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:24 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
could be robertson instead of sandin.

what do you think he realistically gets.


A 1st a 2nd and a high end prospect or 2 in some mix. Detroit lacks high end center prospects so id imagine thats a want. If they move Larkin its kicking the rebuild down the road so mostly high end futures.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:26 a.m.
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A 1st a 2nd and a high end prospect or 2 in some mix. Detroit lacks high end center prospects so id imagine thats a want. If they move Larkin its kicking the rebuild down the road so mostly high end futures.


well leafs are offering the 1st, 2nd, and high end prospect but leafs dont have a center prospect to offer instead of sandin.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:30 a.m.
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well leafs are offering the 1st, 2nd, and high end prospect but leafs dont have a center prospect to offer instead of sandin.


Its tough to gauge because if Larkin goes then bertuzzi goes and its a fire sale.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:35 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
sign and trades don't happen. a rental is a rental. i think you're being biased on this one.


The Wings literally just traded an extended Mantha recently. Boston hand shake extension in place for Lindholm. It does happen.

You are also forgetting the fact he is an elite, young Center, which like with elite young D carry a premium in the league. And DET has a severe need for centers, so why would they not try to get one in a return at the very least or do all they can to retain Larks? Someone’s overbidding your offer.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:40 a.m.
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I’d say it’s 95% Larkin is extended and 4.9% he’s traded, 0.1% he’s traded to the leafs.

Wings will win a cup before the leafs
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.
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The Wings literally just traded an extended Mantha recently. Boston hand shake extension in place for Lindholm. It does happen.

You are also forgetting the fact he is an elite, young Center, which like with elite young D carry a premium in the league. And DET has a severe need for centers, so why would they not try to get one in a return at the very least or do all they can to retain Larks? Someone’s overbidding your offer.


neither of those are a sign and trade.

larkin is good but he's not elite.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:47 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
neither of those are a sign and trade.

larkin is good but he's not elite.


I meant sign and trade vaguely, whether a literal sign and trade or close to it. You can’t honestly say that when Boston signed Lindholm, within 24 hours a max extension happens, that there wasn’t a extension discussion prior to the trade. You don’t know that and if I’m a betting man given it happened within 24 hours, I’d wager it was discussed. Just as you are basing your argument and trade value on assumptions I am as well. And go take a look at the other Wings’ fans comments, you’ll hear a bit of the same from Wings fans. Dude countered with 5x 1sts.

No he is elite, he’s not franchise nor top of the big dogs.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 10:54 a.m.
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I meant sign and trade vaguely, whether a literal sign and trade or close to it. You can’t honestly say that when Boston signed Lindholm, within 24 hours a max extension happens, that there wasn’t a extension discussion prior to the trade. You don’t know that and if I’m a betting man given it happened within 24 hours, I’d wager it was discussed. Just as you are basing your argument and trade value on assumptions I am as well. And go take a look at the other Wings’ fans comments, you’ll hear a bit of the same from Wings fans. Dude countered with 5x 1sts.

No he is elite, he’s not franchise nor top of the big dogs.


that's not what a sign and trade is. leafs came close with hyman but it ultimately fell through. even then boston paid rental value for him.

larkin is a run of the mill 1c, maybe even below average.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
that's not what a sign and trade is. leafs came close with hyman but it ultimately fell through. even then boston paid rental value for him.

larkin is a run of the mill 1c, maybe even below average.


No one knows the GMs discussions and where value correlates. Lindholm could have just as easily received ‘rental’ value due to his numbers. Boston could have jumped ship if an extension wasn’t in the realm of possibilities. We can only guess and are going to continue to split hairs, so agree to disagree I guess.

Agree he would be an excellent 2C , one of the lower end 1C. But young 1C’s still have significant trade value.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 11:12 a.m.
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No one knows the GMs discussions and where value correlates. Lindholm could have just as easily received ‘rental’ value due to his numbers. Boston could have jumped ship if an extension wasn’t in the realm of possibilities. We can only guess and are going to continue to split hairs, so agree to disagree I guess.

Agree he would be an excellent 2C , one of the lower end 1C. But young 1C’s still have significant trade value.


agreed. he has significant value which is why i offered significant value back.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 11:45 a.m.
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agreed. he has significant value which is why i offered significant value back.


Value maybe, but not the value Wings would want. Again they need a center back, not a LHD. The value also is suspect because if Wings were to trade Larkin, a 2024 can not be part of the package. 2nd that 1st is late not in the top 16. So value not really. He was taken 16th and had a good year, not a top player but a good year. The return would be have to be a center prospect and top 20 1st and a 2nd but no later than 2023.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 1:09 p.m.
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agreed. he has significant value which is why i offered significant value back.


The picks are the most enticing thing towards what you offered, but Larkin is a mid 1st draft pick putting up better numbers for where he was drafted. A late 1st is not doing it, especially when the 2023 pick would be more sought after. And I get your UFA argument, but see an extension as more likely to happen and the Wings willing to flirt moving Larks only for an overpayment. See Stevie standing pat for this offer.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 1:11 p.m.
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The picks are the most enticing thing towards what you offered, but Larkin is a mid 1st draft pick putting up better numbers for where he was drafted. A late 1st is not doing it, especially when the 2023 pick would be more sought after. And I get your UFA argument, but see an extension as more likely to happen and the Wings willing to flirt moving Larks only for an overpayment. See Stevie standing pat for this offer.


no problem changing the 2022 1st to a 23' 1st. leafs got knocked out in the 1st round so the pick is likely higher than where it ends up next season.
Jun. 22, 2022 at 1:38 p.m.
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no problem changing the 2022 1st to a 23' 1st. leafs got knocked out in the 1st round so the pick is likely higher than where it ends up next season.


Yep, and always the possibility they go further next year. With 23’ being deeper I think the Wings would be willing to take that risk tho.
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Jun. 22, 2022 at 1:39 p.m.
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I can assure you that Detroit trade will NEVER happen.
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