Dubois Before the Draft

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Created by: Campabee

Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 23, 2022

Published: Jun. 23, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Nashville trade is based off of previous year trades where it only cost a 2nd to move up 10 ish spots from the 20's to the mid teens.

Winnipeg gets some very good assets for a player who has already notified the team that he is planning on going to FA in 2024. No team is going to give up more knowing PLD will go to FA in 2 years.

Pens are rumored to be interested in Petry and Montreal is not going to move him without getting what they want. I don't think the ask here is too much considering we are adding a 3rd.

Having 3 top 6 centers is an issue once Wright's ELC ends but that isn't for 4 years still since he would be sent back to the Fronts for the 22-23 season. We can deal with any cap issues then.

BTW this is not likely to happen just an idea of what could unfold with the news of Dubois not willing to sign a long term deal. Our RD still sucks but it gives time for Mailloux and Barron to develop. Our Goal tending is still also questionable with the Price situation but we have to assume Price will play until it is determined he won't. Our cap situation has been fixed and will only improve over the next 2-4 years as the bad deals expire.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Pezzetta, Michael	2	$850,000
Schueneman, Corey	2	$850,000
Primeau, Cayden	1	$925,000
Romanov, Alexander	3	$2,750,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	2	$6,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Dauphin, Laurent		1	$750,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Wright, Shane		3	$925,000

Trades

MTL

Timmins, Conor

ARI

Drouin, Jonathan
2022 4th round pick (NYR)

MTL

Poulin, Samuel
2023 1st round pick (PIT)

PIT

Petry, Jeff
2022 3rd round pick (ANA)

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]

WPG

Dvorak, Christian
2022 1st round pick (CGY)

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$82,500,000	$72,060,833	$1,132,500	$1,440,000	$10,439,167

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $880,833$880,833 ($850,000$850K) LW, RW UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 8	Dadonov, Evgeni $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1
Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5	Dubois, Pierre-Luc $6,000,000$6,000,000 C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 3	Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 2
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $825,000$825,000 LW, RW RFA - 1	Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Timmins, Conor $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 4
Romanov, Alexander $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD RFA - 3	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 3	Allen, Jake $2,875,000$2,875,000 G UFA - 1
Harris, Jordan $842,500$842,500 ($507,500$508K) LD/RD RFA - 1	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 2
Norlinder, Mattias $859,167$859,167 ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Pezzetta, Michael $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Dauphin, Laurent $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1
Schueneman, Corey $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:02 a.m.

TheRealisticGuy

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PLD said so many times he wants to be a Habs. Now, it's known he isn't signing long terms with any team because he wants to play for MTL. Why would we trade assets for him when we are rebuilding ? Just tank another 2 years, and sign him via Free Agency Summer 2024 and we got our LW to play with Suzuki and Caufield with seize. PLD-Suzuki-Caufield / Roy?-Wright/Cooley-Anderson, now that's starting to be a decent top 6

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Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.

Nik_SH

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17th OA for 26th and 62nd isn't fair deal. Preds pass easly.

Look at the Detroit-Dallas trade from the previous year.
15tg OA for 23, 48 and 138. And this draft class wasn't really strong (except current one).

So here it should be 17th OA for 26th and 33th.

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Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:09 a.m.

Windjammer

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Considering that as a pure rental in 2 years Dubois gets a 1st and a prospect minimum I would imagine this generates no interest from Winnipeg.

2 years of PLD>>3years of Dvorak

Unneeded LD prospect = 0 value to Winnipeg

2 late firsts = close to rental price in 2 years for PLD.

All in all equals no incentive for Winnipeg to move PLD now.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:18 a.m.

Lenny7

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Quoting: Nik_SH

Just for my own interest, the draft pick value chart has that as:

Nashville Out: 395 (17)
Montreal Out: 534 (26/33)
Difference: 139 (Value of pick 88ish)

Detroit/Dallas was:
Det out: 433 (15)
Dal out: 584 (23/48/138)
Difference: 151 (Value of pick 82)

Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

AndrewLadd

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Quoting: TheRealisticGuy

Where has he said that

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Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:33 a.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: Nik_SH

LOL, I couldn't remember where the Oilers pick was. I agree it needs to be the Habs pick then.

Quoting: Windjammer

You are right Dubois is better than Dvorak, hence the reason for the other additions to the trade. However lets not forget that this also saves the Jets cap space (about 2 mil or so depending on the PLD extension)

Fair enough swap Norlinder for Ylonen or Farrell if you want.

2 late 1sts? The Preds is 17th OVA, so mid round and Montreal still won't be a playoff team next year hence the top 10 protection so it will also be an early to mid 1st rounder with the potential to be an unprotected 1st in 2024 if the Habs do end up drafting in the top 10.

The incentive for the Jets is to recoup assets for him before he walks in FA, there will not be many other offers for him when other teams know he will walk in 2 years. I think that PLD announcing that he plans on walking in FA was one of the worst things that could have happened for the Jets to get full value.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:41 a.m.

Windjammer

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Quoting: Campabee

LOL, I couldn't remember where the Oilers pick was. I agree it needs to be the Habs pick then.

You are right Dubois is better than Dvorak, hence the reason for the other additions to the trade. However lets not forget that this also saves the Jets cap space (about 2 mil or so depending on the PLD extension)

Fair enough swap Norlinder for Ylonen or Farrell if you want.

2 late 1sts? The Preds is 17th OVA, so mid round and Montreal still won't be a playoff team next year hence the top 10 protection so it will also be an early to mid 1st rounder with the potential to be an unprotected 1st in 2024 if the Habs do end up drafting in the top 10.

The incentive for the Jets is to recoup assets for him before he walks in FA, there will not be many other offers for him when other teams know he will walk in 2 years. I think that PLD announcing that he plans on walking in FA was one of the worst things that could have happened for the Jets to get full value.

Right. PLD may not get full value if the Jets trade him and you aren't offering full value. You're basically trying to acquire PLD for 2 years for his TDL price in 2 years. The Jets don't need cap space, so that is a non-issue. The firsts if they aren't top 10 are late and the Jets can get that at the TDL.

The main point is you want the Jets to move PLD for what they will easily get for him in 2 seasons at the TDL and there is zero incentive for Winnipeg to do that.

You're only looking at what is good for Montreal with no regard as to what would work best for the Jets.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 10:48 a.m.

Campabee

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Quoting: Windjammer

In 2 years he won't have the value that you think he will because teams know they are not going to be able to resign him. He will only get a late 1st + prospect as a rental. Here you are getting double that.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 11:14 a.m.

Windjammer

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Quoting: Campabee

Exactly. Worst case the Jets get a 1st and a prospect.

You're not really offering double that to Winnipeg. As I pointed our earlier:

2 years of PLD is worth much more than 3 years of Dvorak. So one of the firsts would be compensating the Jets for downgrading.

All of the prospects you mentioned aren't needed by the Jets so would add zero value for Winnipeg.

So, the only valuable piece you are offering Winnipeg is a mid to late first. For that price Winnipeg is better off keeping the much better player in PLD for 2 seasons and the TDL return.

PLD for 2 seasons + 1st + prospect is greater in value to Winnipeg than this package = no invective for Winnipeg.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 11:17 a.m.

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Andy_Dick

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Quoting: Campabee

Windjammer rejects everything. PLD will walk in 2 years anyways. I dont see the point in trading for him at a cost when he could be grabbed for free and the rumours suggest he wants to go to MTL. He'd interfere with the tank regardless this season. Winterpeg has enough problems with an identity. Enjoy the fake retool.

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Jun. 23, 2022 at 11:35 a.m.

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Andy_Dick

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The most hilarious offers are Pens fans thinking they can offer up Dumoulin for Anderson with a 1 year term til UFA status with a cap crunch and the Pens flood of LD. That's not how scarcity works.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: Windjammer

LMAO, the difference between PLD and Dvorak is a good prospect like Norlinder, Farrell or Ylonen not a 1st. However, by your own admission the Habs are significantly overpaying here by like a 1st and good prospect. You literally said that the difference between Dubois and Dvorak is a 1st so you are just being greedy and trying to fleece everyone all the time. I will fix this deal immediately to make it more fair. Deal is now Dubois for Dvorak + Calgary’s 1st (2 years of PLD is worth much more than 3 years of Dvorak. So one of the firsts would be compensating the Jets for downgrading.). Sucks that you just ruined a great deal for your team by admitting to be trying to fleece everyone LMAO.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 12:25 p.m.

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Ritzy

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Quoting: Campabee

One of the more childish comments I have read in a while.

Jun. 23, 2022 at 12:31 p.m.

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Campabee

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Quoting: Ritzy

One of the more childish comments I have read in a while.

How is it "childish"? He is the one that ruined a great deal for his team by trying to get greedy

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