Unless someone absurd drops to 18, Dallas accepts.

Why are you giving up a top prospect like Addison to only move up so little?

The difference between 24th and 18 isn't Addison.

I'd also much rather have O'Rourke over both Faber or Grans. Or did you miss the part where O'Rourke was named to the OHL All-star team this year?

In my opinion, the value is slanted towards Los Angeles somewhat, but we're loath to trade Faber, so you could take out the two defense prospects and LA puts in our 2022 first. But we need O'Rourke, so if you substitute Helge Grans for Faber and add our first, that's a deal I could accept.

Kings might accept but might need Fiala to come down closer to 7AAV. Faber and Grans are the RDs with high defensive potential and might want to keep one of them. A Vilardi Spence and 2nd or 3rd might be a better trade with both immediately playing in the NHL for the Wild and the Kings still having 2 offensive RD prospects and 2 defensive RD prospects.

Kings absolutely accept that

Did you miss the part where Brock Faber was named Big Ten defenseman of the year over Owen Power and Luke Hughes? When last I looked, the NCAA was considered a higher league than Canadian juniors.

And yet CHL players carry higher draft stock and value. 🤷‍♂️

I also like/prefer O'Rourke better than either Faber or Grans. Sue me.

He's meaner than both of them combined. Which is something the Wild sorely need and lack on the back end.

What in the world would carry you to the conclusion reached in your first sentence? It's logically impossible, because by definition kids who are in college are past their draft year.

Mathew Beniers
Kent Johnson
Owen Power
Cole Sillinger

All drafted as College players.

A commitment to play college hockey through a scholarship makes them college players, whether they are drafted or not. They commit at 17, they're not drafted until they're 18.

Logan Cooley is committed to the University of Minnesota. That makes him a college player by definition and he has yet to be drafted.

Get it now?

No. And my entire point was that the very guys you mentioned -- Beniers, Johnson, Power, Sillinger -- are rated more highly than CHL players, contrary to your support-free contention. Get it now?

CHL players make up 60% of the draft. 50% of those selected in the top 10 on average come from the CHL.

Not rocket science. That's my point.

Well, your point is refuted by your own statement: only 3 of the top 10 players selected in the 2021 draft came from the CHL.

My entire point was that kids like Beniers, Johnson, Power and Sillinger, whom you include in the definition of “college players” along with Faber and Hughes, are rated more highly than players who are in or still in Canadian majors. Your contention to the contrary is idiotic, but providing proof of my assertion is intelligent. That's my point.

I did no such thing. You stated those players weren't considered college players until AFTER they were drafted.

I proved they were.

That's it.

That does not mean I provided proof that college players are more valuable or more highly thought of than those coming out of the CHL. Do not get ahead of yourself or act so conceded just because you think I did, when I absolutely did not.

Because history says otherwise.

A few exceptions, does not mean it's true or that you're right. The bulk of CHL players still comprise the top spots.

College players have trended up the last few years, but they don't carry the draft. The CHL does. That is statistical fact. Until such time as there are more college players in the draft then CHL players. That fact will remain true.

College players are not valued over CHL players, individual talent is. As that talent will always do so. But that doesn't mean that scouts/teams value college players more. Scouting departments still place the greatest amount of time and effort into scouting CHL players than any other prospect pipeline. Because that is where the bulk of overall talent still comes from.

Dallas was not a specific target, but representative of any team in the tens or teens the Wild could target for a move up.

As I stated above, Dallas wasn’t a specific target.

Fair enough, swap Hunt in for O’Rourke

That most certainly does NOT make Cooley a college player when he is drafted this summer! By your analogy, Connor McDavid would have been an NHL player when he was drafted. He was committed to the NHL and played as a true “freshman”…

Not to pick nits, but Sillinger was not a college player. He was drafted out of the USHL, where he played because Covid basically canceled the WHL season. Otherwise he would've been in Medicine Hat.

Also, I don't know if you can point to a top ten and say categorically college > juniors. When looking at them like macro level, all of college vs all of the OHL, it's weighted in favor of the OHL if only because of volume of players between three full leagues. College only has, what, 25 programs with pro-quality players. Also, four of the top ten players last year were all from one single college program, which if anything undermines your argument. Sure, UMich had a better draft than most OHL teams, but I don't think you can argue that college as a whole did.

I wasn't making that argument, the Razmanian Mor-, er, Devil was -- go back and read the comment before mine. But he's all over the place. Logic isn't his forte.

Oh, crud, I thought I had both quoted in this post. Sorry! I know *you're* reasonable.

These numbers are off. CHL makes up about 1/3 of draft. And in recent years, top-10 players via USHL/NCAA or European routes have had more success than CHLers, which have experienced a lull recently. Especially with top-10 forwards.

No fair citing actual facts to refute wildly illogical flights of . . . whatever.

Look, at the end of the day I could care less about the numbers. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So what, I don't care. I'm not going to sit here and cry, or try to argue. It's whatever.





At the end of the day, ^THIS POST^, is what I was trying to point out.

The idea that college players are more valuable than those coming out of the CHL, because they're not.

I'm perfectly reasonable. There is nothing here that would suggest I'm not.

Was that your way of calling me a moron?

Not angry, just asking.

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